Oh really? Lets compare last season's rushing statistics: Rushing yards per carry: Denver - 4.8 Houston - 4.3 Rushing yards per game: Denver - 116.4 Houston - 115.4 Denver had the 12th ranked rushing offense last season. So, no, Cutler was not FORCED to throw because of a lacking running game. They ran the ball just fine and had just as much balance in offense as the Texans. Also, in 2007, the Broncos had the #9 ranked rushing attack. Cutler's numbers werent much different.
i actually think that's a fair point. i'm all for keeping schaub... but in the interest of discussing this (for fun0 on a message board.... the texans were an unquestionably better offensive team - and probably better defensively, too (hard as that is to believe). cutler is two years younger and more durable (hasn't missed a start yet - that's 37 games. schaub's missed 10 in roughly the same # of games). all things being equal, i'd probably trade schaub for him straight up. *probably* BUT... no way the upgrade (if there even is one on the field) would justify giving up a pick, too.
I'm curious how it's a fair point to say Schaub had more balance within his offensive gameplan, considering Denver rushed for more yards per carry and more yards per game. Yes, I'll concede Houston has a better receiving situation than Denver, but balance isn't the right word to use.
they averaged exactly 1 more rushing yard per game, The Cat, and you can put that directly on green being hurt and ineffective - the texans basically had one competent NFL running back on the active roster last year, and he was a slightly undersized rookie. despite that, slaton was an infinitely bigger and more consistent threat than hills/pittman/young (pick one or combine all 3 - he's still better). johnson is a much better receiver than marshall; daniels is a much better TE than scheffler - walter and royal cancel each other out, though walter did average more YPC and score 3 more TDs. i don't know a lot about denver's OL - perhaps it's better. but skill position-wise, the texans had last year, and will again this year much greater weapons. so i'd argue cutler would probably post similiar numbers to schaub if he were here, if not better given theirs career production is almost identical (like, eerily identical). and i don't think it's a knock on schaub to say you'd (hypothetically) deal him for a younger, more durable and i'd guess cheaper version.
straight up? I guess then it'd be worth looking into / considering. (But even then, I'd say no...given that Schaub already knows this offense and the personnel here. Everyone knows him, too, and they just started clicking last year. I wouldn't mess that up that is essentially the same, with a gain in age somewhat--hard to call Schaub's bench time as mileage on his body, and a gain in durability, though 2 years hardly justifies it) At any rate, the point is moot.. it would not be a straight up deal. They'd ask for a pick or 2 at the least... which is even more reason to not even glance at it.
Vinsanity is wrong; he was FORCED to throw because denver's defense was terrible - only detroit and st. louis gave up more points last year (28/game for denver). the broncos allowed 33/game in their 8 losses. when you have to play shoot-out every week - and your leading rusher is a converted linebacker... you're gonna chuck it far more than the average team. career-wise, cutler's numbers are nearly identical to schaub's (if not oh-so-slightly better). it's fair to argue he'd *likely* post better #s playing with slaton, johnson, walter & daniels. given that's he's younger, more durable and i believe cheaper, he'd be an upgrade over schaub - no question. and that's not a knock against schaub at all. and no way i'd deal schaub AND a pick for cutler. but straight up..........
I would rather have Schaub. Not only that but at least Schaub isn't a complete douchebag or whiner the way Cutler is. For your reading pleasure: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3946294&sportCat=nfl
i don't know.... the offenses probably aren't radically different and while schaub would certainly have an edge in terms of comfort-level, well - it's not like he's out there 16 weeks a year, you know? he's missed 10 games - and thus, roughly 10 weeks of practice the past two years. i'm doing this only for fun - i like matt schaub a lot; i'm not looking to replace him.
If you read my post again, I said Denver had a worse "running back situation". They had injuries and plugged in stiff after stiff. No defense out there game planned for those stiffs. Peyton Hillis. Who? And also yeah, Denver had an awful defense and played from behind. Also you could say Schaub's numbers are a bit skewed due to the receiving ability of Slaton. Dump it off to him for a big gain and basically the QB gets credit for a completion, pass yards, and yards per catch with a throw that my grandmother could make. Cutler did not have that luxury.
boy, i sure as heck don't want to get sucked into a cutler debate - but i think that article's patently unfair. what should his reaction be to the team's new regime actively trying to trade him?
Again. Fail. Peyton Hill averaged 12.8 yards per catch. Michael Pittman averaged 11.2 yards per catch. Steve Slaton averaged 7.5 cards per catch. Granted, Steve Slaton caught 50 balls and did it over a longer stretch. However, Cutler had 40 completions to the top 5 RBs with the most carries for a total of 397 yards. That means that completions to RBs went for 9.925 yards per completion. If you want to talk about dump offs that lead to big gains, look no further than the Denver Broncos. Id venture to say that Cutler's numbers are a bit more skewed.
just because you hadn't heard of an RB doesn't make him a stiff. Hillis started what, 2 games anyway? I'd argue he was better than Ahman Green. And because you really want me to do this, here you go. Stop just throwing out random facts because you think they support your argument when you're just spewing lies. Research first, or don't bother making claims like that. Slaton's # receptions > 10 yards Week 1: 0 Week 3: 0 Week 4: 4 (12, 30, 11, 12) Week 5: 0 Week 6: 0 Week 7: 0 Week 8: 0 Week 9: 1 (22) Week 10: 1 (17) <-- oh wait, that was Sage.. doesn't support your "Schaub dinks" theory Week 11: 0 Week 12: 0 Week 13: 1 (46) <-- oh wait, that was Sage.. doesn't support your "Schaub dinks" theory Week 14: 2 (13, 21) Week 15: 0 Week 16: 2 (19, 17) Week 17: 2 (17, 11) Of course we all remember the 30 yarder in Game 3 (JAX) that was actually Slaton running a route to the endzone and Schaub landing it in there perfectly...not quite the "dink" pass that you wanted it to be, huh? Who knows how many of the others were actual routes and not dump offs like you're saying? Even if all 10 of those other passes are dump offs.. you're gonna tell me Cutler didn't have 10 dump passes to his RBs over the course of the season?
Pittman only had 10 catches all season. Hillis only had 14 catches all season SLATON HAD 50 Its pretty silly on your part to try and use yards per catch average as an argument when you have such drastic differences in the amount of receptions between the targets of your comparisons. Nice try though. Fail.
Ok, if you continued with my post...Cutler completed 40 passes to RBs...not that much different than the 50 that Slaton received. Yards per catch...that stat completely disproves your theory. Thanks for playing.
Why are you only counting dump offs to Slaton, but you are comparing it to dumpoffs to ALL of Cutler's running backs? Is Slaton the only back on the Texans roster to catch a dump off pass? Also quite a few of Andre's receptions could be considered dump offs because he's so good after the catch. I think Cutler is a better QB than Matt Schaub and I think he has a ton of more upside. If you put a poll out there on the web somewhere, i'm sure it would be close, probably leaning towards Cutler, but it is highly entertaining that that you and the cat come rushing to formulate your stance based on selective stats - and act like I'm crazy for even remotely thinking that Cutler is better.
