Put Jay Cutler in the camp with whiny little babies like John Elway and Eli Manning who will never be any good and never win anything. They lack leadership. No team wants whiny little headcases pansies like those three.
very early, MM - VERY early. but it's interesting that major fell right in line with baller while you and i agreed completely... doesn't seem to be a lot of gray area here (though it does appear now that cutler wanted out of denver the minute they fired shanahan... and mcdaniels handed him a golden ticket.) i wonder how everyone feels about dunta robinson's situation (especially the latest news that he'll miss volunteer workouts - which, given his injury, is worrisome)? it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison but, interestingly (probably only to me), i tend to side with management on that one. i certainly understand the players' aversion to the franchise tag - but their anger seems wildly misplaced. robinson seems to be acting under the assumption smith did this to punish him - and to a degree it does. but it also (i'd argue moreso) reenforces the team's commitment to you. if they don't want to lose you AND think you're worth top 5 money... how is that disrepectful? in a lot of ways i'd argue it's the EXACT opposite of what denver did: one team showed a lack of commitment to one of its best players (if not best); the other a pretty definitive commitment to one of its best players. (and i'd still offer schaub for cutler in a heartbeat)
According to the team owner, Cutler has refused to answer any of 10 days' worth of messages from the coach and owner. I think his initial reaction was childish, but at least partly understandable. But that was something like a month ago now. It doesn't appear he has any interest in trying to make the situation work, so at that point, there's nothing the coaches can do to repair things.
This just keeps getting uglier. Has anybody been watching ESPN the past hour? The Denver camp claims they've reached out to Cutler the past 10 days or so and have been ignored. The Cutler camp claims they never received any calls, texts or anything.
it sounds to me like two camps furiously trying to CYA. my guess is that the truth is probably somewhere in between.
I'm a huge Jay Cutler fan and will defend him. He has played three years in the NFL. His first season he didn't even play until near the end of the season. Those were the very first starts of his NFL career. His second season he was playing with undiagnosed diabetes and had lost a significant amount of weight by the end of the season. I'd think undiagnosed diabetes could make a difference in your play. He has only been a starter for two full seasons and one of those he was dealing with undiagnosed diabetes. I think it is too early to make such a statement about a trend.
Most likely. If one is trying to point fingers they might feel inclined to point them at McDaniels/Denver given how McDaniels initially lied about this story once it surfaced, but Denver has a lot to lose and everything to gain by trying to move forward with the healing process. For that reason, I don't really doubt the Denver camp has made the effort. But yeah, there's obviously a lot more to this story regarding the communication issues than ESPN is able to report.
Certainly - I didn't mean to suggest that he will be a failure as a QB. Just that he still has a lot of questionmarks and he's not an "untouchable" player at this point. Eli was a player who seemed to be mentally not very good and then suddenly figured it all out. Vince seems to have been the opposite so far. So with young QB's, there are all sorts of questions - but my only point was that it wasn't unreasonable for the new coach to consider other options, especially given that he knew Cassel inside and out.
Major: The Broncos certainly do have the right to consider trading a player. I think Jay is a great quarterback but I'm a fan so I'll admit that I may be biased. As for how this situation has been handled, I find it hard to really judge the reactions of both sides on this issue without knowing exactly how the conversations went between the Broncos and Jay. Also, it is hard to know without knowing the details about how the relationship between Jay and the Broncos has been behind the scenes throughout his career.
I have to agree with Mark Schlereth...was watching him on ESPN talking about this. Although he does place some blame on how Denver handled this, here are some other quotes regarding Cutler, which I fully agree with... "But the thing is, in this situation, Jay Cutler has to understand, I mean, he acts that he's the first guy that has ever been lied to by an NFL franchise. As a matter of fact, he acts like he is the ONLY one that has ever had hurt feelings." "You own it to those guys that you play with on a daily basis, and thats what he doesnt understand, I mean, he looks at himself like he's the first guy. Look at all the guys before you that went on strike and did this and basically sacrificed so you can have free agency and now, in Denver, you're looked at as the biggest spoiled baby that has ever played in the franchise, and thats what people think of you." I agree...I place blame on the coach as well, but this thing would have never come to this point had Cutler not acted like a girl. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4034863
I don't like how folx heavy Handedly lay most of the blame on the player If the shoe was on the other foot ... . the player would still get the blame it is like Management can basically do no wrong and Players are peices of meat that should take what ever ***** is thrown at them management mismanaged the situation and it does not seem like they did too too much to rectify it . . .at least in Cutler's view Rocket River
baller say it so differently that we did the round and round for a while, but ended up bringing up the same points again and again. that's usually when i try to bail. i'm with you on the dunta situation, too. different facts in that instance. but i have to say...i put lot more responsibility on management for taking care of mending these relationships than i do on the athletes, many of whom are still "kids" from my view.
This is where we come at things from different sides. I tend to put more of the blame on players for all these kinds of things. I've gotten in that argument about steroids and labor issues and stuff like with lots of people - and I almost always take management's side.
And here's why I don't believe it: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12040620?source=rss A source close to Cutler said the quarterback was surprised by Bowlen's declaration. In recent days, Cutler had packed up his car in Nashville and had it shipped to Denver, where he intended to show up for the team's first minicamp April 17-19. The source added that Cutler said he has not received phone calls from the Broncos since he received a text from McDaniels a week ago Tuesday. Whatever the interpretation, Bowlen decided to exercise his ownership powers and end all confusion. He's the boss, and he says the team will trade Cutler. If he's cutting off communications, then he's not paying to have his car shipped to Denver for minicamp, which is voluntary. The same minicamp that Robinson and Ryans are skipping out on here in Houston because they're just upset with current contracts. The only party I'm SURE has lied in this whole mess is the Broncos. I don't put a lot of faith in what they're saying now, frankly.
