After the fallout between Cutler and the Broncos should we trade him for Matt Schaub and a 2nd day draft pick? Cutler and the new head coach are already not on the same page and would cause problems in the Denver locker room. The relationship between Josh McDaniel and Cutler is probably not going to be mended. Kubiak's and Shanahan's system are very similar (Shanahan's son is our new offensive coordinator to boot) and Cutler would not have a difficult time adjusting. As a matter of fact all he would have to do is change the shade of blue and logo on his playbook. Cutler is obviously not happy with Denver and I think he would be an upgrade over the fragile Schaub. Denver would get a QB named Matt (they acutally even look similar) and an extra pick.
No, based on the cost (draft picks), the fact that we have a QB who is already very successful in our system (top 5 in the NFL by rating when healthy), and has only played 2 NFL seasons. And whom you can't name "fragile" just yet..
Really? Are we going to do this every time a big name comes up on the market, even when we clearly don't need that position? "Marvin Harrison is available, should the Texans sign him??" "Roy Williams was cut..." "Jay Cutler might be traded..." They're not going to give up on Schaub at this point. I'm not going to say he's durable but his injuries were from viscous hits. He has steadily progressed as he has played more. He should really come into his own here in the third season as a starter.
Matt Schaub is a better quarterback than Jay Cutler, so no. Yes, Schaub has some durability concerns, but we need to keep in perspective that it's two seasons -- not 4 or 5. I'd have to be extremely convinced that Schaub could never, ever make it through a season relatively healthy before I'd trade for a downgrade (when both are on the field).
It's probably a stretch to say definitively that Matt Schaub is better than Jay Cutler, but the reality is that there really isn't any evidence you can hang your hat on that says Cutler is a better quarterback, either. It seems people still haven't come to terms with the fact that Schaub engineered the NFL's 3rd best offense last year, and that he actually got much better as the season progressed (Cutler did the opposite: started strong and regressed as the season went on).
For someone with the name Vinsanity, I dont think you have much of a say when it comes to assessing quarterback play. Look at their last 2 seasons...other than the fact that Matt has missed games due to injury, look at their play on the field... Schaub has had a better completion percentage...better yards per attempt average...and a higher quarterback rating. Show me how Jay Cutler is the better quarterback.
Other than having a stronger arm (and Schaub's isn't exactly weak) I see no reason to believe that Cutler would be in any way an upgrade over Matt.
except those are relatively poor metrics to evaulate QB performance. It's like saying someone is a better hitter in baseball because they have a higher batting avg. Cutler has had a much higher DYAR (total value above replacement level) last two years. and while Schaub had a slightly higher DVOA (value above replacement per play) this past year (7th vs. 8th in the league) he was well behind Cutler in per play performance in 2007. Now maybe, ignoring injury history (seems like a pretty significant thing to ignore), it can be argued that they have been pretty close in performance, but there is still plenty of evidence that Culter has played better the last two years.
Let's analyze, then. Matt Schaub posted a QB rating of 92.7, compared to Jay Cutler's 86. Schaub threw for 8.0 yards per attempt, compared to only 7.3 for Cutler, a significant difference. (This is important because undoubtedly, one of the first pro-Cutler arguments to be made will be OMGZ!!!! HIS ARM STRENGTH! And I'll counter that by saying arm strength is irrelevant in and of itself -- it can often be an indicator of ability to stretch the field, but not always. And by looking at actual results, not whether you can throw a ball between the goalposts on your knees from mid-field, ala Kyle Boller, Schaub does a much better job throwing downfield.) Anyway, back to the discussion. In addition to having more success throwing it downfield, Schaub is more efficient as well, completing 66.1 percent of his passes to 62.3 for Cutler. He also makes fewer mistakes -- Schaub tosses an average of 0.9 interceptions per game, whereas Cutler throws 1.13 picks per game. Moreover, we can move to some specialized statistics -- namely, pressure performance. Let's take a look at the performances of each in December, when the games really mattered (especially for the Broncos, who held a three-game division lead with three games to play before the Cutler-led team suffered one of the greatest collapses in NFL history): Schaub: 3-1 record, 95.2 QB rating, 320.3 YPG, 8.4 YPA, 5 TD, 2 INT Cutler: 1-3 record, 81.2 QB rating, 283.3 YPA, 6.8 YPA, 4 TD, 5 INT Also, for those that care about records, Schaub's winning percentage as a starter last year: .545. Cutler's winning percentage as a starter last year: .500. And those numbers don't even take into account other statistics like total offense, etc., which are also greatly in favor of Schaub. Bottom line: with the exception of durability, Schaub was a clearly superior quarterback in 2008. Better rating, better at throwing downfield, better at completing passes, better at avoiding mistakes and better at winning games. These are statistical facts. It would be completely illogical to swap Schaub for Cutler for any non-injury related reason.
Uhhh, batting average in baseball tells a lot about how good of a hitter they are. I listed 3 football statistics that are very significant for QB's...maybe individually, they may not mean much, but when one guy is better in ALL 3 categories, then I would find it difficult to argue that the one with lesser statistics is the better QB.
not really. I mean it tells you something, but not a lot and the key point is that there are a ton of other statistics that get (a lot) closer to the "truth" than ba Except, I, and others, would argue that just like in the baseball example there are other, better, qb statistics that more accurately reveals the value in a QB's performance. At the very least, those statistics I cited should refute the claim that there is no evidence (and also no statistical evidence) that Cutler has played better than schaub the last two years
A couple of the most significant statistics regarding QB play are yards per attempt and QB rating. Completion percentage is only important if it takes into context former two statistics. Ex. David Carr can throw for a high completion percentage, but a look at his YPA shows that he doesnt throw downfield. In any case, the 3 stats, used together, very much show how well a QB's play is on the field. Your DYAR stat...do you know what factors go into it?
I dont think Shaub's really much better if he's even better at all. But give Schaub over 600 throws and he'll put big numbers too. Aaron Rogers had as good a season as Cutler. The only reason to trade would be to get a younger more durable, mobile guy if the belief is Schaub is made of glass. Two 2nd round picks is a big investment in Schaub already. Schaub and Cutler make about the same money but Cutler gets more guaranteed money. So itd be another guaranteed $5 million to pay plus a 2nd day pick. I'd think the Texans would rather put that on the defense
The broncos had one of the worst if not the worst running back situation last season. Cutler was forced to throw for Denver to win and defenses knew this coming in. Schaub had balance. I'd like to see what Schaub would have done in Denver's situation last year - forced to throw every down against a defense who knew you were throwing every down.
and you're probably all among that group who called for Sage to start over Schaub for about 70% of last season
Having a much stronger arm is kind of important at the quarterback position but he's also more mobile, he doesn't get hurt, and he's younger. Reading a stat sheet doesn't equate to judging talent because anyone that's watched Cutler play should know he's a far more talented quarterback than Schaub. Hell, based on statistics, The Cat would take Matt Schaub over John Elway after 3 years because of course Schaub has a higher completion percentage, higher yards per completion average, yadda yadda. Elway though had a bigger arm, he was more mobile, and he didn't get hurt much like Jay Cutler. I'm certainly not saying Cutler will be the next Elway but he's got a hell of a lot better shot at it than Matt Schaub, no question about that and anyone who's watched the two of them play should be able to recognize that.
