Should we have pulled the trigger on Kevin Martin for Marcin Gortat?

HaHa !!!! I was at the gym and saw on ESPN where Gortat finally had a good game last night and I said " someone is posting on the garm right now how we should have went after Gortat " Once again he is wayyyyyyyyyyy over-rated !!!!!!!

 

No. I value Gortat higher than many here but I still wouldn't give up Martin for him, or any core player. He's a really good bench player at this point in his career, who is worth giving up a really good bench player for, and nothing more.

 

You sir are a troll and don't know nothing. Big men are hard to come by. The reason why Gortat didn't put up numbers with the Magic is that he's playing behind Howard. Thats why a few teams went after him with their full mid money. You seem to never heard of the word upside.

 

He's actually had a few nice games.

 

I WOULD 100% DO THIS TRADE,TO ME; KMART IS SOFT AND INCONSISTANT...I WOULD GIVE UP KMART,HILL, YAOS CONTRACT & PICKS FOR GORTAT AND NASH. WHY??? BECAUSE A GUARD IN THIS LEAGUE IS VERY EASY TO REPLACE BUT A BIG MAN DOESNT COME OFTEN.

STRATING 5
G-S.NASH/K.LOWRY
G-C.LEE/C.BUDINGER
F-S.BATTIER/T.WILLIAMS
F-L.SCOLA/P.PATTERSON
C-M.GORTAT/C.HAYES

AND IF WE WANT TO PUSH IT FURTHER I WOULD ALSO TRADE B.MILLER, JEFFRIES, A.BROOKS AND TRADE EXCEPTION TO WASHINGTON FOR R.LEWIS OR DETROIT FOR T.PRINCE.

STARTING 5

G-S.NASH/K.LOWRY/I.SMITH
G-C.LEE/C.BUDINGER
F-T.PRINCE/S.BATTIER/T.WILLIAMS
F-L.SCOLA/P.PATTERSON
C-M.GORTAT/C.HAYES

THIS WOULD BE A BEASTY LINEUP NO DOUBT WHOS WITH ME???

 

OK. You can go check Gortat's stats and come back to tell us how great he is going to be.

I guess you need to stop pulling any meaningless trade proposal for the good of us.

 

So a players value is based, not on what he is as a player but the value of the player he was traded for???

Nowitzki was traded for who????

I know the OP didn´t say he would have done the trade, but, for me, Martin is probably one of the most unappreciated Houston players, considering his talent, by Houston fans, ever.

People like to compare him to Monta Ellis, ignoring the player role factor. Monta demands the ball to be effective, he has a superstar game offensively, he is a ISO scorer, he is one of those "give me the ball and get out of the way" players. He is your traditional 2nd guy on a championship team, but without the 2nd guy mentality/game to be one.

I always like to talk about Robert Horry because he is the ultimate role player. You can name probably 100 better players, but you will have alot of trouble naming 50 guys that having more skill then him, where able to be as effective playing the role their game allowed them to play.

Rudy Gay, Monta, and Joe Johnson, are better overall players then Martin, but I would take Martin over all of those 3 every day, because Martin is a low profile player that will be a perfect fit with a superstar talent. All of the other 3 are almost paid like superstars, and most importantly all of them have superstar style of play, without having enough talented/skilled to be as effective as the LBJ/Wade/Kobe/Melo/Durant of this league

Gortat, great player, I would have loved to have him, but Morey will not overpay (trade wise) for a C that despite the talent is not a go to guy in the post, besides, he knows that Kyrylo Fesenko will sign for us next season for the backup C position, and he and 90% of GMs will make a run for Greg Olden next offseason (I know, injuries, but rumors say that his injury problems might be over after this season, and I believe he has the body frame to be a injury free player after this season).

He will keep his assets to go after Granger (or maybe a bigger prize, never know)...... :grin: :grin: :grin:

(yes, I know we desperately need a C, but if you are not winning this season, there is no need to overpay to fill the holes we have. What we need is to maximize our roster value, by trading 5 guys for A GUY, even if we don´t have a C, because there is time next off season to go get one, and by then there is not going to be A GUY available(maybe yes maybe not))

PeAcE

 

He would look like SUPERMAN,compared to what we have. I say Yes, Martin might score 25, but give up 25. We would not see 76 points in the paint like we do now. A good big man, would make everyone better. Maybe we wouldnt lose games 128-116

 

lolol

 

Houston_Rockets, Dirk was a draft day trade. I'm not saying a players value is totally based on who they were traded for, but there is a reason why good players get traded for alot less than percieved value.

Baron Davis and vince carter were traded for peanuts early in their careers. We know that baron can lose intrest at times and vince had the whole quitting thing over him. What is martins knock? Soft,injury prone,stat padder who doesnt impact winning. His numbers tell you different,but the results say just that.

Would I trade martin for gortat? No, but I wouldnt ever think martin can only be traded for an all star caliber player either.

 

gortat alone isn't worth kmart. kmart is a borderline star. gortat + a pick or something similar, sure why not?

 

Speaking soley from KM's perspective (not the ROCKETS), he would have liked it too.

Apparently his agent Dan Fegan is also the agent of DHoward and JRichardson, so that's why he was trying to get his players together. It's becoming not only a league where players want to decide where they play, but agents will soon be competing against each other in putting their players together.

If HOU continue to be bad next season, I foresee KM asking his agent to broker a trade. Maybe even earlier.

 

ARE YOU SMOKING FKING CRACK SON?

 

I am really worried there is 43 of you that agree.

 

dude what are you smoking?? lol First off it was never phoenix that wanted to trade Gortat it was orlando ... and no way do you trade Scola ... no one on our team can cover the gap that would leave behind ... Scola is our ONLY post player with any offensive skill worth a damn ... and he plays as hard as anyone on our team ... on the other hand trading Martin for Gortat and say reddick wouldnt be all that bad . the combinations in our backcourt would be able to cover for most of martin's production .

brooks , lowry, lee, reddick, and later williams and ish . thats more than deep enough . but having that legit big body center along with scola in our frontcourt would have helped a ton .

 

Well what we know is DM walked away from Gortat at 5M a year, yet traded for KM who is making 10M a year.

 

with that being said >>> i still wouldn't do that trade .. simply based on the principle that Gortat is still "potential" and so is reddick ... you just dont trade away your second best player for potential unless you decide to rebuild and unload his salary .

 

what? martin grotat? man, this dude is just a poor-man's brad miller without the 3 ball and cant pass.

PeAcE`

 

You have calmed me down.

 

It was another case of a team looking at a players production in limited minutes and assuming that they'll continue to produce at that same rate when given more minutes.

You can look back in Rockets history as far as Jim Peterson for similar cases. Peterson produced great as a backup and everyone assumed that he'd do the same as a starter. Unfortunately it didn't quite work out that way for Peterson and it didn't work that way for Landry.

The Kings were a perimeter oriented team and they needed a low post scorer. They thought that Landry would fill the role and paid a steep price to get him. In retrospect it wasn't a good move for the Kings. So, maybe we should learn something from that deal and not make the same mistake of overpaying for a certain type of asset (center)?