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Should we give Francis the MAX now that we know his condition?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Axeman, Aug 2, 2002.

  1. gr8-1

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    Yes, give it to him. If we don't, someone else will.
     
  2. Yetti

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    Steve Francis (The Franchise) deserves a substantial Contract. That being said The Rox must be business like, there must be a health clause for release, just incase it progresses to incapacitate him from playing.
     
  3. haven

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    Really? It seems many people have good reasons otherwise.

    Correction - the migraines are treatable *now*. This disease is unpredictable.

    Disloyal? As in disrupting the entire NBA system by not playing for the team that drafts you?

    Francis has had a contract. He's been paid very well to pay basketball. he wasn't eligible for more money. If he were being lazy, then he would be pathetic. Playing hard doesn't make him noble, merely not a worthless person. And besides, if he hadn't... then there would be not even a remote chance of him receiving the max.

    And he hasn't delivered the playoffs, yet.

    I happen to think we should give him the max. But this post was obnoxious.
     
  4. Rockets2003

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    Nobody is untouchable

    1.Kobe
    2.Shaq
    3.Duncan
    4.MacGrady
    5.Carter
    6.Iverson

    Just a few names that are untouchable.
     
  5. vj23k

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    I say we give him the max...maybe after watching him play, seeing how he responds to treatment, and observing how the condition affects his play, if at all. If he wanted the extension now(As in, this offseason), I would be somewhat hesitant, but probably end up wanting the team to give it to him. IMO, Steve is one of those guys that you want to lock up for as long as possible, even if it comes with a risk.
     
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  6. Htownhero

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    I think you have to give him the max and hope for the best. You can't pick a perfectly safe avenue here, so you go with the one that will net the most if succesful. Francis if healthy is worth the max, Francis who is out of the league in a couple of yeard because of migraines will at least get a medical exeption from the league.
     
  7. WhiteMagic02

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    None of those guys are Rockets. I apoligize for not being specific. Of course there are players that you would never trade. However, Vince and AI are 2 on your list that don't belong.
     
  8. Axeman

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    I think I'd have to go with DaDakota:

    I agree with this approach, and I think the Rockets can convince Steve Francis that this is the best approach without him feeling like they are being disloyal to him. I mean, this is a business. Plus, this would give Francis the incentive to get on a SERIOUS regimen to make sure this doesn't get worse. If he screws with his diet or drinks alcohol (or does basically anything else that will severely alter the water metabolism of his body), he will most likely create more problems and exacerbate the condition. He is going to have to be very rigorous in order to get through this.

    Man, this is tough news.... Just when you think things are falling in place for the Rockets... BOOM!
     
  9. Axeman

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    I can see your point... The problem with this is that usually teams insure contracts against the case of a career-ending injury. That way, if a player can no longer play due to injury or other medical mishap (i.e. a bad car accident), the insurance pays the contract, not the team. In Steve's case, it will be nearly impossible to get this kind of insurance, or if the Rockets can get it, they will have to pay a hefty premium that may be too prohibitive.
     
  10. ROXTXIA

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    Steve Francis must receive the max, no question. Yes his condition is cause for concern but he has responded well to treatment and he understands what must be done to keep this problem in check. Steve is a superstar, and if we don't pay him, it'll be a slap in his face.

    We just gotta bite the bullet and get out the 4 leaf clover, rabbit's foot, horseshoe....
     
  11. KALIKULI

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    The WINK deserved to get the MAX without a doubt. He is the back bone of this team and it will stay that way!:cool:
     
  12. Will

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    I can't say it better than that. And one more thing: Don't forget that Jay Williams was sitting there, available to be drafted, for weeks and weeks. Even those of us who wanted Yao Ming knew Williams was more of a sure thing at the 1 than Yao was at the 5. If Rudy and CD and Les were uncertain about Francis' ability to continue his career at a level at least equal to Williams -- and they had plenty of info about the migraines by that point -- I'm sure they would have pulled the trigger for Williams and put Francis on the block. The fact that they didn't even bring Williams in for a workout speaks volumes about their confidence.
     
  13. gucci888

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    He avg. 21ppg 7rpg 6apg ("max" numbers) with the migraines, the only thing that changed is that we now know the source and that we are hopefully closer to a cure. He has had the headaches all along, you can't take away the "max" just because you know what the source is.
     
  14. DaneB

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    I without a doubt would sign Francis to the max. If Francis continues to have trouble despite his treatment he always has the choice to undergo the knife. I found some information regarding a procedure Francis may eventually need to undergo...

    The main negative about this surgery is the large scar that it would leave on him. There would be a huge scar on his neck leading up to his ear. A player of Francis's capability, we can't let slip from our fingers. I say we sign him for the max, and deal with his disability as need be.

    Click here if you wish to know any other information on this disease
     
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    First of all, I could go on and on about your views, but I have a life and have to get back to it. I'm so glad that people like you are not put in situations such as this because you have a case of Jumpshipidus. (Very common this time of year) Disloyal? Who was he disloyal to? He told them not to draft him and they did it anyway! That is just one of many bad moves made by a horrible organization and their sagas will continue. Disrupting the NBA system? Since when? Those kinds of things have gone on way before 1999 Haven.
    You said that just because Steve plays hard doesn't make him noble and you're right. I actually agree with you, but what makes him special is that he is noble and a hard worker with worlds of talent. He's paid well and in my opinion, earned every penny he’s made thus far. The MAX is deserving to those who are considered franchise players, which he is. It's not his fault that we didn't make it to the playoffs my fair-weathered friend, the reasons are obvious...not obnoxious.
     
  16. TBar

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    Give Steve the Max contract. HE IS AN ELITE PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE-We now know with certainty what the problem is. It can be treated.

    Like Jason Williams of the Nets, I am sure the Rockets have insurance on Steve. It is very expensive, but I think teams regularly insure the top players- Like Alonzo Mourning.

    Insurace kicks in Pro rata for games missed or if more than 1/2 the season is lost.

    Pay the man....
     
  17. DaDakota

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    I don't think there is any question that you give him the max. As stated before, the only other options are losing him for nothing or in exchange for useless parts that don't fit the team. I don't see how giving Francis the max is such a big risk. With Ming and Griffin up for max deals in a few years, this team will be capped out for the next 10 years. Free agency isn't the way to build a team in the modern NBA so cap space is pretty much useless. There is no question - give him the max.
     
  19. Drex22

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    You gotta give him the max, you just have to, there is no arguement.
     
  20. because24

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    Many of you need to stop taking heed to what everyone else is saying, and do some research of your own. Because this is very much treat-able and not as big of deal alot of you are making it out to be. I know because I have first handed been through this situation. Many of you here the word disease and start to panick; get a grip!

    Furthermore I wouldn't be surprise those of you that don't want to give Francis the max are the same people that wanted Hakeem out of here.
    YOUR THE ONES THAT HAVE NO LOYALTY. :mad:
     

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