1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Should We Execute Pedophiles?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KDavis, May 30, 2007.

  1. Cesar^Geronimo

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,529
    Likes Received:
    5
    That's the second time today this board made me laugh at something I'm ashamed I laughed at.
     
  2. Achilleus

    Achilleus Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,313
    Likes Received:
    24
    ...I thought you were asking a question "for those anit death penalty" : "do you really think its better to keep them locked up until they die?"

    Have you switched it to something else?
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    113
    If a pedophile knew that if he was caught, his sentence would be to work as a gigolo at a nursing home for 30+ years, pedophilia would disappear overnight.
     
  4. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,073
    Likes Received:
    2,442

    or the threat of having their junk and or thumbs removed.
     
  5. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,073
    Likes Received:
    2,442

    i have no idea what you are saying... :confused:


    i was just looking for someones opinion who differs and what their reasons were .
     
  6. Phi83

    Phi83 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think castration is a viable alternative, instead of the death penalty in these cases... Plus, it everyday reminder that what they did carries consequences. We don't execute drunk drivers (that cause fatalities)...
     
  7. Achilleus

    Achilleus Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,313
    Likes Received:
    24
    There was one crime being discussed in this thread.

    I told you why I thought they should be put away for life, and why it didn't matter if someone considered it "overly punishing" them ( which is why I put that in quotation marks), because it was about prevention.

    You began by asking why it was better to put someone in prison for life, rather than just kill them, and even said that leaving them in their cell was equal to the inhumane treatment of animals. Now you are no longer talking about this, but are debating whether someone has the right to live. That's a completely different discussion.
     
  8. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,073
    Likes Received:
    2,442
    is that what jail is for?? prevention? i thought it was designed more for changing of behaviour.


    i didnt bring up 'right to live' someone else did i just followed a long.

    but im still open for why its better for someone to sit in a cell for the rest of his life with no possibility for parole, rather than just being killed right away?

    side note, consider pedophiles are targets in jail, too.
     
  9. Achilleus

    Achilleus Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,313
    Likes Received:
    24
    If they are in prison for life then the progression of their behavior doesn't matter.

    "Someone else" did? Cool... But that was one part of an answer to your original question, and you changed the discussion by choosing that part to talk about.

    "I don't believe in killing another human being out of vengeance. They shouldn't be allowed to live anywhere where they have even the smallest chance to harm another person, however."


    "I am against the death penalty, in general, but I don't think their punishment should be any less than what a murderer receives. Solitary confinement for life, maybe..."
     
  10. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    55,536
    Likes Received:
    21,828
    Slowly killing someone over thirty years
    versus
    Killing then in 3 minutes

    Actually. . . Banishment is my preference

    DUde, you got 3 wks to find a country to take you . . . After that
    you on your own . . . buy a ticket and get there
    If not . .. we put you on a boat. . and Push
    you come back . .you can be killed onsite by basically any one
    because u are PERSONA NON GRATA here
    You will have no rights that must be a observed

    Rocket River
     
  11. Cesar^Geronimo

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2003
    Messages:
    1,529
    Likes Received:
    5
    Excellent --- unleash them on the children of some other country
     
  12. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Insider Newsletter™ 2X Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    34,470
    Likes Received:
    15,299
    Anyone ok with chemically castrating pedophiles?

    Seems like an alternative better than death....
     
  13. langal

    langal Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,824
    Likes Received:
    91
    yes we should kill them.
     
  14. bejezuz

    bejezuz Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2002
    Messages:
    2,772
    Likes Received:
    65
    Who cares. Under current Supreme Court precedent, only a few special types of murder can be constitutionally tried as capital cases. That's not changing anytime soon.
     
  15. luckystrikes

    luckystrikes Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    670
    Likes Received:
    14


    Chemically?

    How about an old rusty barn knife, then throw them in a tub of rubbing alcohol?
     
  16. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2001
    Messages:
    12,089
    Likes Received:
    470
    Castration, chemical or physical, in conjunction with a moderate period of confinement in a mental health facility.
     
  17. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Insider Newsletter™ 2X Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    34,470
    Likes Received:
    15,299
    Only if you perform every procedure.
     
  18. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    31,571
    Likes Received:
    9,042
    * Why is life without parole slowly killing someone? There is life to be lived in prison -- people to talk to, meals to eat, thoughts to think, things to read and write, gods to worship. Just because your movement and routine are severely limited doesn't mean you aren't living in the mean time.

    * I don't see anything exceptionally wrong with applying capital punishment to heinous child-rape crimes. My one concern is that what society considers the worst-of-the-worst does tend to facilate a little. In the 70s, the worst thing you could be is a heroin-dealer; cop-killer eventually overtook it. Pedophile seems to be enjoying its moment in the sun. Who knows which one is next. If pedophiles get the death penalty, the next worst-non-murder-crime-you-can-commit is more likely to get it too. So there may end up being a capital punishment creep with more and more crimes punishable by death.

    * Chemical castration seems acceptable to me and I find it ironic that it would likely run into more constitutionality problems than a death penalty would.

    * There are several justifications for prison and other forms of punishment, among them: deterrence, rehabilitation, incapacitation, and justice. It is interesting to see posters come in with their own pet reason and ignore other motivations the state might have for killing or imprisoning or castrating a criminal. Execution excels at incapacitation, may help with deterrence and justice, but is terrible for rehabilitation. Prison does rehab better, incapacitation worse, and the other 2 are a toss-up. Castration has potential for best rehab, at least decent on deterrence and justice, but bad on incapacitation. You've got to pick your poison -- how much risk are you willing to assume for the criminal's sake; how much justice are you willing to sacrifice to achieve your aims in social order?
     
  19. weslinder

    weslinder Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2006
    Messages:
    12,983
    Likes Received:
    288
    There are four purposes for punishment: Deterrence, rehabilitation, incapacitation, and vengeance. It has been proven multiple times that the Death Penalty is not a deterrent. By definition, it cannot be rehabilitation. It is incapacitation, but no more so than life imprisonment. It is certainly revenge, and my religious beliefs don't allow me to take that.

    Life imprisonment has the same effect of incapacitation, so I think that it covers all of the same purposes for punishment as the death penalty except for vengeance.
     
    #39 weslinder, May 31, 2007
    Last edited: May 31, 2007
  20. cson

    cson Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2000
    Messages:
    3,797
    Likes Received:
    29
    let the parents of the victim decide ?

    I say this because I could not come to a conclusion:

    I think/say I am against murder and this includes capital punishment.
    However, as a father , if you raped my child I'd slaughter you.

    I think I feel that forgiving the unforgivable is noble, but pretty sure I couldn't.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now