Fixed it. Jacoby should be starting PR if he can round back to ridiculous form before the unfortunate injury vs Indy last year. Nonetheless a good option to have. The Titans would hate us forever!
The thing is MM, in the NFL, no guaranteed contracts. If he's cut, we don't pay him anymore! If other options don't work out it's at least worth a look. Tested is right if he's forthright and makes the effort, he's worth the risk because, he could give our secondary not only flexibility, strength but more importantly REAL depth of talent. I say give him a chance because, he has to be absolutely certain that this may very well might be his LAST! Last chance ultimatums sometimes players DO respond and excel under such a predicament. His teammates and coaches here would keep him in line I'm certain. I think they may be able to better influence Adam here than they did in Tennessee. Just my thoughts ...
Hell no, we don't need thugs on this team. Keep it a clean, fun team to watch. Bob is smarter than that.....he wouldn't sign this ass.
Give me a break, everyone deserves a second chance, like hatemavs said if the cost isn't much we should go for it. He's one of the top cover corners in the leauge. If he starts causing problems cut him, how much trouble would that be? Isn't Weary still on this team by the way? How about Travis Johnson? didn't we draft this guy when we knew he had character issues when we could've drafted the linebacker from UT? How do we know what TJ does outside the football field? If his on field behavior is any indication of his personality I could only wonder what he does off the field.
Exactly maestro! Let's also not forget that Mario went on that speed demon run in his Ferrari or Lamborghini, I forgot. Yes he apologized and obviously has never done it again. Point being these guys are young and they have money thus, they may make a dumb decision from time to time. Bottom line is I think this is kind of a case of the pot calling the kettle black. If potentially you get Pac-Man, who btw would probably fetch a lower price (Titans may have to release him) than Asamougha would why not? Plus, you put yourself in better positions for the draft. OL, RB would be a better chance of instant contribution through the draft. Plus, he's STILL young! While there are some outstanding rookie DB's in the draft, they're STILL rookies. Very few are like Dunta, Pac-Man, Carlos Rogers or Landry basically starting from day one and contributing ... I think everyone is getting a little melodramatic about the escapades of Pac Man. Not many NFL players are always going to behave themselves all the time. Choir boys are few and far between in the NFL. Pac Man has made some mistakes but, last I checked he did not do half of what Vick did. Just have him drop his useless, deadbeat so-called friends. Problem solved. Bag0b0y is right, he earns the right for a second chance if he's serious about his NFL career. Potentially this would be a win/win situation for all concerned.
A man was shot. The dumbass was put on probation, then he ended up at one of those sleaze joints, with the same bad eggs, *again*. Sure he should get another "chance". How about have him prove he can live his life for about twelve months without being involved incidents where people get shot? And stop with the "choir boy" bull****. No one's asking for a "choir boy", just someone who doesn't go into titty bars and have his friends shoot people (allegedly).
Well I admit his talent would help alot but let him "prove" himself somewhere else. I can just picture the headlines "Pac-man involved in shootout. Andre Johnson caught in crossfire" and for those who think its just his friends causing the problems...give it a rest. They are part of the problem but the bigger problem is pac himself.
Ok, I understand and respect your POV on this but, I am simply playing "Devil's Advocate" on this subject. First of all, lets analyze our options for our secondary. I would say Bennett, Von Hutchins, Demps and potentially from the MASH unit (Simmons, Dunta (hopefully) and Earl (though he can hit but not cover). So, best case scenario we have 6 DB's that are potentially workable for us. Worst case 2 or 3. Again, hopefully Dunta will be back by midseason but, more than likely it may be later in the season either at CB or at a safety position. Earl at safety again shaky because of his deficiency at covering receivers. So best case scenario with him is keep him at SS but, again he's not a complete player. Probably more suited to play on running downs. Demps did a very good job for us at safety except he has "butter fingers" when catching interceptions. Von Hutchins great hitter, average cover man. Simmons how ready will he be come training camp and preseason? What I'm trying to say is in the secondary we've got problems! With bad teams, we can hide those problems. With playoff caliber teams, we get exposed. So, how do we solve them? a. hope some or most of MASH players are ready to go come opening day? b. go through the draft or c. free agency or trade? a. I know Smitty is WAY too smart for that. b. Might be good to bolster depth but, how many prospects honestly are ready to play come opening day as a starter? c. Most logical especially considering we would be better suited to addressing OL, RB and even OLB issues through the draft. Now, potentially we have a highly talented CB who obviously has some character issues before you start laughing remember this, there was a LB who on the eve of the Super Bowl in year 2000 who almost lost everything. His name, Ray Lewis. Now some would say he did not deserve a second chance. In fact, some people I know thought he should have been put behind bars for his indirect mistake. As I recall, the problems emanated from Lewis' entourage not Lewis himself. Bottom line, what happened as a result of giving Mr Lewis a second chance? He became a well respected member of the NFL alumni. He became respected by his peer and teammates. He took his lumps in the press, media and the NFL office and took it like a man. He rose above the minutae. He's now probably going to be a first ballot HOF'er whenever he retires. So, what is not to say that Adam "Pacman" Jones cannot do the same? I'm just saying ... There are other options out there potentially to include other FA's which will command a higher price tag or you take a chance and start rookies straight from the draft. Understand this, I'm not excusing his behavior in any way and I am not trying to justify anything but, make the assertion that under NO circumstances will we EVEN entertain the option of getting Pacman is irresponsible. Also, Pacman has to know or will know two things: number one, he has to reprove himself to handle and conduct himself like a responsible adult NO EXCEPTIONS! The Commish will see to that. So it's not even a given he will play this year. He has to convince him first to even get the opportunity to play again! He has to impress the HELL out of him! Number two, he has to know should he be given the opportunity wherever due to his past blunders, this is potentially his LAST chance at retaining what could be potentially a perennial all pro and perhaps a HOF candidate again if he keeps his nose clean. It's ALL going to be up to him! The pressure is ALL on him! If he screws up again, he gets cut NO MORE PAYCHECKS from the Texans! The Texans would virtually have no risk. The only way I would not take him is if he would have to offer something in trade. More than likely though, he probably get released by the Titans unless they decide to take another chance on him. He has had to set out a whole season as a result of his poor off field behavior whether directly or indirectly responsible. Ron Artest in an NBA melee had to set out an entire season as well for his egregious on court behavior, for the most part that second chance worked well for him too as he is now in Sacramento. I'm not saying absolutely take him but, I am saying if the aforementioned circumstances pan out you can get an all pro talent at CB for chump change compared to other FA prospects why not? We could give him an incentive laden provisional contract. He has to prove himself. He wants to play. He wants to prove himself. If he screws up again, he knows he probably won't ever get another chance to play again. The only question is, will he be given that chance? Is he actually sorry and contrite about his past mistakes and willing to be held accountable for himself and his actions? In other words, will Adam stand up, take his lumps, be a man and let his play on the field do the talking rather than extracurricular off field issues continuing? Those are all questions only Adam can answer. IT'S ALL UP TO HIM on what happens next!
Understand your apprehension with that scenario. BUT ... Ok, if he even gets caught with a firearm or is associated with someone who has one WHILE ON PROBATION! He goes straight to prison. DO NOT PASS GO, do not collect $200. His career in the NFL would be finished because a felony gun charge is 5 years in the federal penitentiary. No good behavior time. No breaks and NO PAROLE! That's on top of whatever else they could slam him with. I think he readily knows that there are NO MORE CHANCES! Next time, no one will be there to help him he will get the "HAMMER." Like I said, I think Adam knows what's at stake THIS time! No more games, no more chances. Not only could he adversely affect his NFL career but also, his freedom for a significant chunk of his life. I knew guys who came into the Marine Corps and were told either here or jail. They got a last chance and they made the most of it! Sometimes that's what it takes! I respect everyone's opinion on this very contentious issue. This is simply an option that may or may not even become available. Depending on Adam's actions and attitude. I just personally think to make the assertion absolutely not under any circumstances will we even entertain the option of getting Adam should that situation become available irregardless is irresponsible. I believe most everyone if they're willing to redress their past and become accountable and change because that is their desire and not someone elses, deserve a second chance. Exceptions are: Rae Carruth, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson. Yes those examples are either hopeless, dead or soon to be.
First of all, I respect your opinion also. You wisely point out that it is a contentious issue, so thanks in advance for not taking my fervor on the matter personally. Actually, let's stop right here, as I have an issue with this logic--actually two issues. The question at hand is in regards to the merit of adding one Adam Jones to one's NFL roster. If Adam Jones does not merit being on an NFL roster, then he doesn't, regardless of how bad the current roster is at his position. Unless one is willing to say, "we're so desperate for talent we'll risk having our name associated with shooting up night clubs at four in the morning." Let's not act like Adam Jones is the only option out there for our secondary. iirc, Ray Lewis had one run-in with the law--not multiple, and definitely none after that one big one. Did he end up doing jail time? At any rate, there was no pattern (if I remember correctly, there were no ridiculous repeat offenses after he was hiding in the trunk or whatever. He proved himself (again iirc), and his same team took him back. It's not like some other team took on the Ravens' problems. Adam Jones is a whole 'nuther ball of wax. And the only reason a man isn't already dead is because he (and Jones) were lucky, yet still the dumbass parades around night clubs and carries concealed weapons. Keep that stupid piece of **** as far away from Houston as possible. And I think it's irresponsible to absorb someone else's problems and to expose your locker room to this kind of risk. Like Max said earlier, "you build a roster assuming that you have positions filled. in a salary cap era, you can't load up with tons of CB's to replace him when he does something stupid." He's precisely correct--and the "but the contract isn't guaranteed" argument doesn't hold water. Because, when Jones shoots up a night club in week four and is cut (because he's in jail), where in the hell are you going to find a CB then? Sure, it didn't cost us any money. But we're still out a CB, and back to the same piece-of-crap secondary we had before. No, thanks. Seriously. The "second chance" thing exists in two arenas. Right now, Adam needs to take advantage of his intrisically-deserved second chance at living life within societly at large. If he can do that without being part of people being shot, for at least a year, then he can have his second chance at the NFL. Hey, life has its consequences and seasons of discipline, and supertalent does not exempt one from them.
Dude is in a night club (while on probation) again, and hits a woman in the face. Hey, let's sign him up.
Wow. Well, maybe we can consider him for the 2009 season as he'll probably get suspended again. What a moran.
