We want to build a championship contender, preferably one that can contend for 7-10 years in a row (which on average is about what it takes to win a title)... we're not interested in hovering around .500 for two or three seasons getting bounced in the play-in/first round until Brown gets sick of it and demands a trade. Not everyone is as impatient as you are. Also not being onboard with Brown doesn't mean we want the roster to stay the same. I would rather sign veteran roleplayers who cost nothing but cap space than trade away half or more of the core pieces we suffered for 3 years to acquire. Edit: Or TL;DR--follow the Astros' model and build a good homegrown team and add complementary pieces around that. It's what you have to do in every sport unless you're NY or LA.
There is no way you can guarantee that trading for Brown will stop that. You are extrapolating out into a theory crafted land of bullshit. Brown makes us better, the goal of Stone and the org is to get better - losing begats losing - trading a developing piece for a young star like Brown is how you get better. DD
Wrong. Selling the farm for a disgruntled star is like dating a cheater. If they got sick of their current team, nothing is going to stop them from getting sick of your team too. The only teams that have won championships in recent history by acquiring a star who wanted out are the teams that landed LeBron. Sadly, there's only one LeBron to go around. Everyone else won by developing young players into stars. Building up a strong group of young talent and developing them into stars is how you build sustained success.
Selling the farm, see more made up bullshit. Trading a pick and a player or two is not selling the farm. Are you kidding, didn't the Warriors win with KD? Every team is different, name the last team that won by building through the draft, and how long did they stink to get there? And you will see that will not be happening in Houston...even Sacremento has been bad for 20 years - and had to TRADE for Sabonis to get better. The Rox need to flip some of these redundant pieces. KPJ - Green - Redundant - one should be available KMJ - Eason - Redundant - one should be available. Garuba, Christopher - available Sengun - available for a higher price, same for Bari. DD
The Warriors added KD to an already-established championship team. And again, look how long that lasted. Their core now is the same as it was throughout their championship runs. If another star wants to come join us after we build a contender that's fine by me. Let's build our homegrown core first. It's fine to get rid of secondary players like KPJ, KJ Martin, Eason, or tertiary players like Garuba, Christopher. Those guys don't get you a talent like Jaylen Brown, though. Green, Sengun, and Jabari should be borderline untouchable. So should our draft pick if it lands in the top 3 or 4.
And not trading for Brown doesn’t mean people don’t want him. He has one year left on his contract. If he wants to come here then he’ll find his way over here.
I'll tell you what's made up bullshit, is when you and a couple others pick and choose when it's ok to look at small samples and/or try to decide what is a small sample. The continuous failure by you and a couple others to look at what a youngster has done compared to what other very good to great players had done through a same time frame at the beginning of their career is amazing. How/why you fail to do that is comical. Bullshit. KPJ's 137 career games entering this season: 53.2 TS%, 42.4% FG's, 35.2% three pt FG's, 48.5% two pt FG's. KPJ thru the 1st 26 games this season: 52.6 TS%, 41.2% FG's, 32.9% three pt FG's, 46.2% two pt FG's. KPJ's final 33 games this season: 59.9% TS%, 46.8% FG's, 39.1% three pt FG's, 54.0% two pt FG's. (JG's final 32 games last season: 59.2% TS%, 47.4% FG's, 39.3% three pt FG's, 54.6% two pt FG's) (JG's final 35 games this season: 55.2% TS%, 43.0% FG's, 36.0 three pt FG's, 47.5% two pt FG's) How in the world you would put more stock in a guy's final 33 games as opposed to the 163 games prior to that.... so much so that you'd rather trade a guy in his 2nd season who was the #2 pick, who's highs have been MUCH higher and has had zero off court issues is.... bullshit. There is no world in which any NBA GM would prefer to roll with KPJ over Jalen Green at this stage of their respective careers. That you can bet on. *for the "Jalen finished better last yr takes"... yep... sure did. A lot of reasons for that. Even so, over his last 35 games he was better than KPJ at any point in his career up until the last 33 games... bout time a 4th year player 'caught up' lol
People offering up rookies and sophomores with way more upside than said star is even crazier. I think these guys want Jalen gone because they're secretly in love with him and thats the only way of fixing it.
KPJ and Jalen have about the same stats, they are a little different but produce similar results, it is why I say one of them should be available....I don't give 2 ***** for splits in year this or year that, right now is all that matters, they are both good NBA guards, and I am fine with either one being traded and the other staying if we can get a better piece like Brown. I would PREFER it be KPJ because he is better than Green has more skills, is on a cheaper better contract and you get about the same production. If, however, Boston wanted KPJ and a high pick for Brown, I would personally hold the door open to the bus that takes him to the airport. Whatever makes the ROCKETS better is all I care about, not who my favorite player is..... And, for the record that is Eason this year for me - whom I would also trade if it made the team better. Yeah, I remember us trading Jeremy Lamb and his wonderful upside for Harden..... DD
Yeah. Agree to disagree. And there's no way in hell Jalen Green won't be better at the end of his 4th season as KPJ is now, based on 49ish years of watching the NBA as well as career projections of so many players similar to both. I guess KPJ and Jalen Green could always be the exception to that though. Slim odds. You wouldn't wanna bet on that. lmao just now saw the Lamb/Harden comment. Jaylen Brown (as much as I love him)... ain't James Harden at 23 yrs of age) and Jalen Green... sure as hell ain't Jeremy Lamb. Come on, man. You're smarter than that.
I have 50 years watching as well, and right now KPJ is slightly better, and IMHO will both continue to get better at about the same pace. KPJ and Jalen were both told to just beat the other team's defense and KPJ was better at it that Jalen.....but not so much so that I am saying we have to get rid of one. I mean we could get Dyson Daniels at 6'7" PG and play with Green, KPJ and Daniels in the backcourt and any one of the 3 could bring it up....and on D, Daniels guards SF, Green SG, KPJ PG...... DD
And the other thing... in that RocketsWatch you brought up or Clutch brought up in reference to you.. business. I'm sure you've managed a TON of KPJ's. A ton of extremely talented individuals who had some... temperament "issues". Without question, talent gets a lot of 2nd chances. No doubt you do everything you possibly can... until you look yourself in the mirror and say, "Have I done all I can" and the answer is "yes"...to make sure you give that person every opportunity to be successful. I like KPJ a lot. I love what he did when he first came up from the G-League. Screw stats. He was MUCH better at actually setting up teammates with good passes. And I completely understand competitiveness, fire, immaturity, being stuck in this situation and getting frustrated, etc. But, when you factor in history, off court issues, etc, especially with them, as you say, being close in talent/performance, it makes no sense to prefer JG would be the one traded. I've tweeted in KPJ's defense several times. Maybe as recently as a month ago. But, while every single player on the team was guilty of the "here we go again" laziness on defense, none of them quit mid-play, put their hands on their hips and stood there like KPJ. We're a year removed from him LEAVING A GAME. And if it's true about him missing several practices? Come on. Jalen's work ethic is well documented. I'm all for continuing to work with him & hope he's matured for good. But if I'm forced to choose between him and Jalen? Not even close. The negative risk factor combined with Jalen's age/experience/upside makes it extremely easy. Again, screw stats. If I'm a coach, and I'm studying film, there's no way I come away thinking KPJ is as TALENTED with as much upside as Jalen Green. It's really not that close. Strictly numbers? Maybe. What I'd feel I could do as their coach. No.
Trade of Green x Brown works straight up on fanspro but So does Sengun x Jaylen Brown -------------------------- I'm trading Sengun x Brown. I don't want to be that guy that had Green (MJ) for two years and let him go for Jaylen Brown (Robin),.... sidekick to Tatum (Batman) But will do it for Jokic (Sengun) (Boston always values the white players higher anyway)
Trade of Green x Brown works straight up on fanspro but So does Sengun x Jaylen Brown -------------------------- I'm trading Sengun x Brown. I don't want to be that guy that had Green (MJ) for two years and let him go for Jaylen Brown (Robin),.... sidekick to Tatum (Batman) But will do it for Jokic (Sengun) (Celtics always values the white players higher anyway)
Man I'm so frightened now. The Celtics are known for fleecing other organizations and Stone and Ferntits seem like the type of dudes who are victims of fleecing, not the ones who do the fleecing. I really hope Stone doesn't have the mindset some posters here have.
Anyways if the Celtics go deep in the playoffs and lose they probably aren't going to look for trades that bring in young players still developing to replace a player who's finished developing and is one of their major pieces. They will probably just want to run it back and if trading Brown is the only option because he's signaled that he won't re-sign then they'll probably want to do a trade that has veteran players that can contribute to playoff winning now.
Not last year Stone was not, Stone was afraid of making any big moves waiting for this summer probably.
Give them KPJ and anyone outside Sengun, Green, Bari, Tari, and any pick that is not top 2 this year. Not more than 2 FRP, given the contract of Brown is running out.
