At 21, the mere moment Jalen Green becomes a consistent shooter he instantly clears prime best case version of Brown on offense. Jaylen Brown not once has matched Green's ftr and assist rate. Not once at any portion of his career. The current version of Green with a more consistent jump shot is already better on offense than current Brown. Green is better at getting to the rim and getting contact already. He's already a better playmaker If you are trading a 21 year old for 26 year old where the only thing that seperates ten on offense is consistent shooting which every young player struggles with, you are stupid.
If he improved by as much as you just said while taking the same number of shot attempts and also improving a similar amount in his playmaking, he would be roughly in the vicinity of Ja Morant's 2021-2022 production, from which Morant made both the all-star game and the all-NBA second team.
It actually baffles me that one of the biggest criticisms of Green at the geriatric age of 21 is his tunnel vision and lack of playmaking and they want to trade a 26 year old who's finished their primary development phase who is even a worse playmaker and has worse tunnel vision at 26 than the said 21 year old.
Morant averaged 27 points on 57.5% TS with 6.7 assists. That is a place Jalen probably will never get to. Morant in addition to his scoring average 7 assists a game. He has the play making instincts Green has not shown. If Green can average 21 points on 56% TS, it is already a super optimistic projection considering his efficiency dropped this year from last year.
What proof do you have 21 old Green will become anything like 26 year old Brown in 5 years. I know Brown in current year 2023 will 100% be an all-star player on a contending team, what are the betting odds Green will even become half of that in 5 years.
I think you are being really irrational of our think going from 54% to 56% on a third year is astronomical. That's absurd. It's like you want to purposely ignore that his usage rate jumped by around 7% with a worse roster around him while upping his ppg by 5. Jalen Green upped his ppg by 5 and dropped 1% in ts from his rookie year. Why would you think dropping 1ppg and increasing ts% by 2 percent while a player who was one and done is about to enter their third year where you typically see large jumps for young guards in NBA is super optimistic ? Why are you so irrational about one of our own players? It's so weird.
That's cool. That logic will do stuff like trade 20 year old Devin Booker for 26 year old Demar DeRozan or 20 year old SGA for 27 year old PG13 or I mean I can give countless examples. The assumption of player development is a basic risk any team has to take if their goal is to build a championship core. Why didn't the Celtics trade 20 year old Tatum and Brown for Harden? Or Westbrook? Or whoever was an all-star during that time? Were you absolutely certain that 20 year old Tatum or Brown would be all-stars? Taking on risk like assumptions about development is a core aspect of NBA team management. With trading Green for Brown you are also taking on risk of becoming a perennial mid team locked on to assets that have a ceiling of like a 7th seed. Why prematurely ejaculate?
JB can join us when he's a free agent. We will acquire Scoot and be ready to compete in 2 years anyways
His last 20 games this year was 23.5 pgg, 3.9 assists, on 55% true shooting. I would presume he could get to 4 assists and 30 ppg on 55% true shooting or more. I say or more because if he get that many ppg he would likely be closer to around 56%-57% to get there on a successful team. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=jalen+green+true+shooting%+last+20+games
I don't think people here arguing about how much his trade value would be understand the amount of leverage Boston does (or doesn't) have. Brown is on the books for one more year for them at 28.5M, and after that he's an unrestricted free agent. He can walk. That basically means that 1.) Boston can't trade him to a team he doesn't want to re-sign with, for much of anything; and 2.) if he does have a handshake deal with a team that wants to trade for him, Boston still has limited leverage only in terms of how many other teams Brown would would be willing to do that with. Comparing that to James Harden when the Rockets had him, Harden had 1.) almost three more years on the books for the team that accepted him via trade; 2.) a willingness to play for either BKN or PHI, maximizing Houston's leverage in a deal; and 3.) (most importantly imo) a desire not to screw over the team which he was leaving. We don't have any evidence that Brown isn't trying his hardest to bend the Celtics over a barrel. If he does so and says that he will be willing to move only to Houston, or else he will move to Houston during the offseason, then the Celtics really have no leverage and he's tantamount to an expiring player. Clearly, that's not the situation we're currently in, because yes the Rockets will have to give up real, substantial assets to trade for him. But, we're not in the opposite situation either where you're talking 2 FRP's + one of Green or Jabari as well.
Eh No thanks. I'd rather keep our core we've been building, new draftee and add through free agency, with a new coach and let the young players develop.
One version of this story is that Green closes out the season strong. Another version is that the sheer amount of G league players and tank tastic **** squads that show up in the last 20 games is a red herring machine. I mean it's not just rookies playing but some of those teams like Portland were basically starting their G league backup players Not Green's fault, you play who's in front of you, but his closing mirage last year was one of the reasons his start to the year was so underwhelming.
No Because it would be as a rental. He would enter free agency because we could only give him a 20% raise. I do like Brown but I'm not willing to trade a **** ton of assets for one year of him.
i can't argue that. it's difficult to determine causation and to what extent. there is a lot you can take from the last 2 seasons for Green/Sengun & 1 season for Eason/Jabari. Until the Rockets are winning and trying to put these guys in better positions to succeed it is hard for me to truly determine who these guys really are. You can guess but not really know that if you put Green on a good to mediocre team that he would play less, take less shots, with his efficiency being better to some extent. That is a safe guess but again you dont know.
Actually, over his last 35 games he averaged 23.1 ppg on 55.2 TS% w/3.8 assists & 6.3 FTA (which I anticipate to continue to increase). One of the things that is hard for me to figure out is the drastic home/road differences. I went back and looked at a lot guys and only a handful experienced something similar early in their career. I mean this season he averaged 24.3 ppg on 56.9 TS% at home. His career is much the same... 22.0 ppg on 57.0 TS% at Toyota Center. Is that a youth thing? Would being on a team with more seasoned vets help the "realaxing on the road" thing or whatever it is? I can't imagine that'll be something that plagues him for long. When "Home JG" becomes just "JG"....
Lol wut. Jabari projects as essentially a 6-11 Brown and Green projects better than Brown. Brown is like Paul George. A good #2 and that's about it. And I wouldn't trade Jabari for either of them let alone Jalen. You need a Top 7 player to win in this league and Brown isn't that.
I am not a fan of giving a treasure trove for a dude that has one year left on his contract especially since we are not in a win now situation. If he wants to be and stay in Houston he should just play his contract out and sign in as a free agent.
Lol. There are a lot of people you dont do traded with. Celtics one of them. If you do a trade with them unless its a fringe trade you are mostly likely getting destroyed. Yeah lets trade Green for Brown and then watch Green become a younger and cheaper Brown. Lol wtf how many times does this scenario need to happen before people learn? Traded Kessler for Gobert, traded Vucevic for Wendell Carter Jr, traded Harden for Kevin Martin, traded Kyle Lowry for Rafer Alston etc just off the top of my head so many trades like these backfire so badly.
Yep. Boston are long, long time experts at fleecing other organizations. They've been doing this almost since the NBA got started and they're still pulling it off in recent history with trades like Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum.
