Should the Rockets seriously explore trading UP to #4?

It's not a difficult thing to awe the feeble minded.

 

Like majority of the people here I'm a fan of Ivey. In my big board I actually have Ivey no 3 ahead of Banchero.

BUT on this team considering we would already be taking Banchero it doesnt really make any sense to get Ivey.

1. It cost too much. Ivey is a ticket seller, Kings need somebody to sell seats. Even if they pass on Ivey, they would still like a productive big like Keegan Murray.

2. Assuming the Kings King'd and gave the Rox #4, to me a Banchero, Green and Ivey trio wouldnt do anything. These are all redundant on ball mid range scorers,the spacing and defense would be bad and they'd get in each other's way.

3. I've been on record not wanting to trade up, I want us to trade in. Like somehow get another top 10 pick. Is it crazy to trade Sengun for Jalen Duren? I love Sengun but if we getting Banchero he is gonna be a career backup. If we can get Duren and Eason/Kendall Brown/Marjon B then I think that would be a nice complement to Banchero and Green.

 

I think we should all keep things in perspective. Moving up in the NBA draft is often a good idea, but nothing is a sure thing when it comes to the draft. Big moves can really hurt a franchise if too much is mortgaged.

In 2015, the Celtics were reportedly obsessed with Justise Winslow. They reportedly offered the Hornets four FRPs to move up from 16 to 9 to take him. Imagine where each team would be had that trade gone through.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/05/1...winslow-to-pistons-and-heat-not-just-hornets/

 

Trade #3(Banchero), KPJ, Wood, Nwamba for #4(Ivey), lightly protected 2023 SAC 1st, and Barnes.

Flip Barnes to CLE for their 2022 1st

Rockets still have leeway to do poorly in 2022 to position well for 2023 super draft with multiple picks. I’m betting top 5 options in 2023 will be better than Banchero.

 

You state this with the benefit of hindsight.

They swapped 5 for 3 and gave what eventually became #10 in the next draft but no one knew where that pick would land prior to making the deal. That is only known a full year later.

That following years pick was actually protected top 5. This is key to establishing value for these type of trades. That pick was a total crapshoot for ATL.

 

Trade up for #1 instead.

 

I think it actually goes - "Shut up and listen! Defense don't win no championships!" Not trying to nit-pick just wanted to get it straight for the record.

 

Collins makes $10m more than Wood.

Wood's advanced offensive metrics are superior to Collins.

Collins averages fewer points, grabs fewer boards, fewer assists, shoots a lower percentage from 3 with an identical EFG percentage.


I really think some of you under value CW as an asset because we don't like his defense or "I want the max" garbage .... There's 4 dudes in the league averaging his numbers and every team wants one .... there's value to be had.

The odds that any one of the picks from 4-7 post a single season of 20/10 & 39% are pretty slim. Wood's posted those type of numbers in back to back seasons.

Does he get you to #4 alone? No, I don't think so ..... But if you throw in 17 and Tate, that's more than enough value.


I Refuse to add Josh Christopher to any deal. He's on my short list of untouchables.

 

I would trade that for #7 quickly. Doesn't seem like enough for the 4th pick or the 7th to me though. Regardless I hope something like this happens. The Rockets have to start consolidating assets to get players that are more likely to be long term starters and also so that the young players don't languish on the bench.

 

Christian Wood, Tate, KPJ, Nets future 1st, #17 pick should get you #4. I would do this for Banchero #3, and Ivey at #4.

Watching this team Green, Bachero, Ivey would be neat.

 

Conceptually, that’s not a bad offer. The issue is the Kings, reportedly, want a greater “win now” piece than anything in that package.

 

Try to keep Sengun out of it at first (Tate or Wood + picks) but I doubt they'll bite so:

Rockets in: #4 pick (Ivey)
Saric
Rockets out: Sengun or Tate or Wood + #17 + 2023 Bucks
Eric Gordon

Kings in: Ayton
Kings out: Holmes
#4 pick

Suns in: Holmes
Sengun or Tate or Wood + picks
Gordon
Suns out: Ayton
Saric

Not sure if this would be allowed with the sign and trade or if more salary needs to be included. @BimaThug ?

 

They'd certainly take that in a heartbeat and laugh at the Rockets for even offering it.....but if Stone ever even considered offering that, he would need to be immediately fired and blacklisted from the league forever.

You don't trade away a better player than you'd be getting back PLUS several other palyers PLUS several picks unless your goal is to actively sabotage the team.

 

Based on what? You are talking about top 5 pick. Ivey could be a tier A player. These players at best Kpj Wood are tier D at best in there prime. lol. Just like Houston says they want a Win now player for that pick. Its going to cost alot seriously.

 

You're talking about giving up a 22 year old star player along with 2 other very solid starter caliber players PLUS several picks for one guy who likely won't be even as good as the 22 year old star you are giving up.

The trade would make the Rockets immediately worse, and worse in the long run.

Now if the goal was to tank for another top 5 pick next year, that trade would help, but that's about it.

If Ivey one day becomes as good as KPJ already is, the team that drafts him will be happy....because that's definitely not a given.

Realistically KPJ is a better shooter, shot creator, ball handler, and defender than Ivey is likely to ever be......Ivey runs fast though.

 

folks around here are trying to tell themselves KPJ is some star, which he obviously isn't. Acting like KPJ is some high standard was always just laughable

 

If the Rockets take Ivey at 3, after OKC takes Chet at 2, then OKC really isn't incentivized to trade SGA for #4. That deal likely falls apart. Paolo and Chet make no sense together.

Kings left either taking Paolo or trading him for other assets.

And that's the proper order of the picks. Paolo should go 4th. Chet, Jaden, and Jabari are the top 3 prospects in this draft.

 

This trade would not be legal. Ayton is an impending free agent. No trade involving him could be agreed to at the draft without bringing down SEVERE sanctions from the league.

 

To Houston
#4
Holmes
Mikhailuk

To Sacramento
Anunoby
Wood
#17

To Toronto
Sengun
Barnes
2023 Bucks #1

Draft Ivey / Banchero

KPJ / Christoper / Nix
Ivey / Gordon / Mathews
Green / Tate / Nwaba
Banchero / KMJ / Garuba
Holmes /

or in same crazy world where OKC takes Ivey, draft Chet and Banchero

KPJ / Christoper / Nix
Green / Gordon / Mathews
Tate / Nwaba
Banchero / KMJ / Garuba
Holmgren / Holmes

 

No.


Leave Sengun be.