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Should the Astros try to sign Cruz jr OR Carl Evertt

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by edwardc, Oct 29, 2003.

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  1. edwardc

    edwardc Member

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    Jason lane no where near so good as dalgy or Cruz,or Everett doesn't have the speed or throwing arm.
     
    #21 edwardc, Oct 30, 2003
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What are you basing this on? In limited ML at bats, Lane has shown to be a solid hitter.
     
    #22 bobrek, Oct 30, 2003
  3. edwardc

    edwardc Member

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    solid hitter he not a centerfielder that just one of the astro needs .Cruz or Everett are both better than he is at this point it's time to win know not later.If you want to wait on Lane to become a better defensive player we may as well wait on Colin Porter or Henri Stanley.
     
    #23 edwardc, Oct 30, 2003
  4. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Why do you say that Cruz is a better player? He has been average at best for most of his career. He had a couple of good HR years a few years ago, but has been very average since.
     
    #24 bobrek, Oct 30, 2003
  5. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Also, Cruz has not played much CF recently.
     
    #25 bobrek, Oct 30, 2003
  6. edwardc

    edwardc Member

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    He's still better than what the stros have know
     
    #26 edwardc, Oct 31, 2003
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    He is so good that his manager found it necessary to bench him in their most important game of the year (game 5 vs. Marlins). He is so good that he got most of his at bats this year batting 8th in a lineup with only Barry Bonds as a consistent offensive threat. He hit a whopping .189 with runners in scoring position.

    Offensively, Cruz is essentially (statistically) the same as Biggio. Defensively, he is a much better right fielder than Biggio is a center fielder, but it is hard to say how much better he would be in CF than Biggio.

    Personally, I'd rather see an OF of Berkman, Biggio and Hidalgo than Berkman, Cruz and Hidalgo.
     
    #27 bobrek, Oct 31, 2003
  8. MadMax

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    completely and totally agreed.
     
    #28 MadMax, Oct 31, 2003
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    you have to realize though, that cruz put up his stats in a park that is very much a pitcher's park, while biggio put his up in a hitter's park.
     
    #29 DoitDickau, Oct 31, 2003
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    Except Biggio's OPS was 90 +/- points higher on the road (.806 vs. .718), and Cruz's was 50+ points higher at home (.808 to .752).

    No matter how you slice it or spin it, Cruz is not a drastic improvement over what the 'Stros have.
     
    #30 Buck Turgidson, Oct 31, 2003
  11. JPM0016

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    i think the people who want Jose Cruz Jr. think somehow he's gonna be like his daddy, which obviously hasn't happened and probably never will.
     
    #31 JPM0016, Oct 31, 2003
  12. edwardc

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    we don't want him to be like his dad just put up good numbers
     
    #32 edwardc, Nov 2, 2003
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    I just want a center fielder who can track down a fly ball and throw people out.

    Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Cruz Jr. 2nd behind Hidalgo in outfield asists? Plus Cruz can be a threat on the basepaths, unlike Biggio.

    Heck, Bagwell led the team with stolen bases and that's not saying much about our team speed.
     
    #33 redgoose, Nov 2, 2003
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    Jose Cruz Jr is overated. Here are his stats. He isn't an upgrade over Biggio. If you want an upgrade then talk about a guy like Carlos Beltran.

    Jose Cruz Jr. has a career batting average of 251. He career on base percentage is 336. He only has 91 stolen bases in his entire career, 5 of them last year and 7 the year before. Gerry Hunsicker isn't going to waste a roster spot on him
     
    #34 JPM0016, Nov 2, 2003
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    RF and CF are two entirely different positions. Just because Cruz can throw out runners from RF doesn't mean he can track down fly balls or throw folks out from CF. If you're using OF assists as a criteria, Biggio was 3rd among all CFs in the NL and 5th in the entire ML.

    Why do you say Cruz is a threat on the base paths?
     
    #35 bobrek, Nov 2, 2003
  16. Roc Paint

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    I'am always for bringing in home grown talent. Lord knows there is a boat load of them out there.
     
    #36 Roc Paint, Nov 3, 2003
  17. Roc Paint

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    I'am always for bringing in home grown talent. Lord knows there is a boat load of them out there. But I think our best bet is with Andy P.
     
    #37 Roc Paint, Nov 3, 2003
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    oops :eek:
     
    #38 Roc Paint, Nov 3, 2003
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    Wasn't Cruz the one that dropped two fly balls against the Marlins?
     
    #39 Austin70, Nov 3, 2003
  20. edwardc

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    Astros Management is to cheat to try and sign Andy P.
     
    #40 edwardc, Nov 3, 2003
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