A Roy Halladay fan here, love watching this guy pitch.... He took a discount to stay with the Jays, this guy represents pure class. I don't think he'd approve a trade to the Astros, so I don't see a trade to Houston. According to reports here, the Red Sox have agreed to include Clay Buchholz, which in turn has got the Yankees interested, we just might have a bidding war.....well that's what I'm hoping for, and I'm sure JP Ricciardi is too. BTW I think Halladay is worth what the Blue Jays are asking for, none of the guys they are getting are probably going to be as good as this guy, plus they are all unknowns. High risk, high reward. 3 top tier prospects should be a must for any trade to happen...I like what Philly has to offer.
Sorry - to clarify, the Phillies offered their top 3 AAA prospects and were turned down. The Blue Jays want both of their younger top prospects (Kyle Drabek and their top hitter). It seems the Phillies are willing to include one but not the other. Whether they can come to a resolution, who knows. My gut says Halladay will be traded by the deadline. Too many potentially good deals with top-tier players being discussed. Who knows if that will be the case a year from now.
I know. Good deal for Philly. Even though the Dodgers have the better record, I'm tempted to put Philly ahead of them.
with the way the dodgers have played since the all star break...and the toll on their bullpen...i'd be willing to say i'd put Philly and St. Louis ahead of them.
It was still a hefty price, though Carrasco's value has really plummeted with the poor season he is having. Still to get a 4 of a teams top 10 prospects, and 2 are ranked in MLB's top 50, 3 in Baseball America's top 100.
That's like getting an extra draft class worth of picks, if not more than that. It also sets a price and gives you a sense of what other pitchers could fetch.
The Blue Jays are running out of time and options... 1) Phillies got Lee 2) Dodgers arent including Billingsly or Kershaw 3) Brewers seem to not want to sell the farm after last year 4) Sox dont look to be willing to part with Masterson or Buchholz 5) Yankees dont seem interested in parting with Hughes and Joba 6) Cards are done after Derosa/Holliday Who is left and while they can wait, which I expect, but the value may go down.. Lyles, Paulino, Lo and Pence would do it...we would be giving up the 6 and 7 ranked prospects in our system while up and coming Lo along with an established young star in Pence. We lose Pence and Lyles which sting but keep Castro, Seaton and Norris and I truly believe we are one pitcher away and a stud would put us right there with the big boys!
We do not need another top of the rotation pitcher. We need a solid #3. Why would you trade your everyday RF and 3 good pitching prospects when you can fill your needs for considerably less?
This is true and I agree with you that all we need is a #3 BUT by paying the price you could get a two time cy young winner to pair with Roy and Wandy to give you the best big 3 in the game! The Jays have begun to back themselves into a corner and while before it would have taken way more then this now maybe not...I think Pence is great and all but not a future superstar! DONT THINK IT WILL HAPPEN but nice to think about!
Keep in mind that we are talking about trading away talent from a thin farm while taking on a $14.25 million a year salary. It just wouldn't be a good idea. You will overpay both in terms of talent and money.
On this point I respectfully disagree...financial 14.25 + about 6 million this year that hopefully the Blue Jays will pick up is a STEAL for a pitcher of Halladay's caliber... Talent wise it will stink...Lyles has good stuff already, Paulino I see as another Wandy so when he gets it he will GET IT, Lo is a wild card but looks to have great stuff and Pence speaks for himself BUTTTTT again 2 time cy young winner and puts you in position to contend for a title two years in a row at worst!
Except that the Astros are already at their salary limit. Ordinarily I would say that they can find the money, but with attendance down 15% or so, I seriously doubt that they have the financial ability to add that kind of payroll commitment.
no it wouldn't. the 6th and 7th-ranked prospects from one of baseball's worst systems carries no value. if you want to even sniff halladay, you'll have to talk about guys like pence, norris, bazardo and castro. and even those 4 probably aren't enough. if they trade him, it's going to be, in part, because of finances - so why would they pick up $6M of his salary? if the astros had a good, deep system and were 3.5 games out of first place - sure. but they can't afford to part with any legitimate prospects right now.
True on your first point, but the argument I was making is that the Blue Jays are running out of options and teams that where willing to part with talent are looking elsewhere like the Phils with Lee and the Dodgers. This is similar to the RJ trade in 98 so my thinking was even though its less then what other teams are willing to pay it may become the best deal they can get at this years deadline. Disagree on your 2nd point..the Blue Jays in part want to trade him for financial reasons but in reality its because they know he wants to win and the Jays arent winning anytime soon so he will leave for FA in 2011 so why not get something for him now and to do that I do think they would be willing to pay 6 million this season if it means getting quality talent in return.
Say what? If they wanted to pay salary they could deal him to the Yankees and get much better talent than what the Astros could offer as the hindrance for the Yankees right now appears to be payroll. The Rangers could offer better talent than anyone as well, and again, the only problem they have in the deal is payroll this year. The Astros have no shot at Halladay. They aren't really a contender and they don't have the talent. The Jays have no interest in moving him for middling prospects just to do it at the deadline this year. In the offseason they could engage more teams. The only reason they are trying this year is because JP is hoping that a team will pony up an enormous package to get two shots at a ring with Roy.
they have him signed through next year; there's no reason they *have to* deal him this week. their "holy crap! what do we do?!" deadline is still 366 days away. i'll admit to having no working knowledge of why they're trying to trade him. but if you don't think saving $20M in this economy is a factor.... there's no way they're picking up any of his remaining salary.
