haha. Political correct? We aren't talking about political correct or not political correct we are talking about torture. That's pretty funny. In your rush to sound like a 'tough no nonsense john wayne type American' you completely left substance and rationality out of your argument. The prisoners from the unit that were held by Iraqis were not sexually abused. A doctor told Lynch that she had some signs that it could have happened, but could also have been caused by other things. Lynch herself remembers no sexual abuse. But even if these people were, it still wouldn't excuse us torturing folks. You claim that because some civil contractors were burned and paraded around that is why we were ok to mistreat the prisoners. Once again I ask you to look at the pictures. The expressions on the soldiers faces are not the grim looks of military personel set on avenging fallen comrades. They thought it was funny, and were making light of it. In your internet persona of tough, no nonsense Amercian patriot you forget that what you are talking about is something that is torture, and not consistent with anything truly American. Way to go, man, you are really drawing a firm line.
According to the MSNBC link on Drudge's website, Rummy said that the situation is even worse than reported. "Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys." Anyone who doesn't think that this is completely sickening nor believe that heads have to roll for these atrocities are as inhuman as the butchers who've taken part of it directly. Completely inexcusable.
I am so pissed about this... You know, the Bush admin would love to sweep the calls for Rummy's resignation under the carpet, but the coming sh!tstorm will be fierce. The November election will be even more interesting than Bush/Gore in 2000. I know who won't get my vote again this time around.
To be fair, if we are going to describe perceived atrocities, we should do it on *both* sides of this conflict. None of us know precisely what these prisoners did to land themselves in jail. Many of them killed US soldiers and civilians. Many of them put our soldiers lives in peril. It could very well be true that many of them created disturbances inside the prison, which deserved punishment. We simply don't know all the facts yet. What I do know is that the outrage, once again has managed to become a political tool of the liberals. Where was this outrage when Americans were tortured, killed, burned and hung from bridges? Huh? Where was that outrage? It was a fraction of what we are seeing now. I personally have no problem with torture, if it means lives will be saved. I personally have no problem with sexual torture, if it means less people will die in this war. Discipline in war conditions is not meant to be weak. If an Iraqi tries to blow up a US tank with an RPG and the US catches that Iraqi, we're going to do a little more to him than siply change his color to yellow. If that man knows where other RPG's are being hidden or knows of other plots against American troops, then heck yeah I support torturing the guy until he comes clean. That is just a common sense practice that has been around since the beginning of time. The liberals are acting like Donald Rumsfeld invented it. There still are some people out there that support American troops. It's not liberals like Blastoff who are quick to point fingers without knowing anything about the situation, or having the faintest clue about the struggles of war.
The outrage about the Americans burned and paraded around was discussed here, and it's horrible. I have no problem talking about the torture on both sides. You claim that we don't know what these people did to land in prsions, but we do know that as much 60% of them had nothing to do with the resistence against our troops. I'm glad that you don't mind sexual torture or any of that if it will help save lives. But the point is that it won't save lives. Saddam and his sons thought that kind of behavior would save their lives and their tyrranical regime. Did it? Or did it create a thirst for many to end those lives, and overthrow the regime? Do you think after these incidents the troops feel more supported? Do you think they will receive more favorable treatment from Iraqis that they meet? The moral highground has been eroded away, or rather erased in this massive flash flood of immoralit, and cruelty.
I'm curious what other excuses for torture, rape and brutality are acceptable to you? It doesn't really matter since it's been pointed out that these tortures rapes, etc. were being committed by U.S. personel long before those 4 bodies were burned and hung from a bridge. Perhaps that happened to those 4 Americans as revenge for what went on inside these prisons. But I guess according to your system of beliefs that would be justified.
When faced with an inexcusable tragedy by the hands of those who should know better, I have come to expect that our resident King of Imperialists would spew the usual right-wing extremist warmonger rhetoric. The storm is approaching, T_J and there is no escape!
Wrong answer, Buttman Jones. It's leftist, morally defunct, hand-wringing crybaby, elitist b****ES like yourself that have emboldened OBL to attack our country. Your prez Bill Clinton did not care a whit about defending our nation and made us look vulnerable. Understanding WHY is not going to stop OBL from hating us, you pompous moron. I thought that 9/11 would provide a wakeup call for the leftist whiner class, but instead, it has made you even more ridiculous. It is you that are ignorant to the ways of the world. And because you can't formulate a rational or coherent argument, you do exactly what many of you whined that I did- call names. I'm glad that I regularly visit here, because I realize that the "useful idiots" as Lenin once described, are alive and well today. Instead of worrying about how we might be threatening the Soviets into a war (still wrong about that, aren't you?) , they cry about "making more terrorists." People of your ilk Buttman are actively providing aid and comfort to our enemies that would eat you for breakfast. You constantly criticize and seek to end our war effort. You are basically cheering for the Islamofacists to win, for crying out loud! With such loyal citizens like you, BJ, we sure as hell don't need enemies! We deserved 9/11, eh? 3,000 people deserved to die because people like me would like smaller constitutional govt, lower taxes, preserving the right to keep and bear arms, securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws? You've got to be kidding me. When some of you talk about the hate from the right, how about sweeping behind your own back doorstep? BJ is showing the standard leftist hatred of anything that does not correspond with their twisted and perverse ideology. You are one sick sonuvabitch, BJ. I'm glad that polls show whackjob boobs like yourself are in the clear minority. Either that or some of your brethern are too cowardly to admit what they are. Don't worry, Buttman. People of my ideological stripe will seek to limit the damage you naive, bumbling idiots do to our country. We will make sure you are defended so you can continue to spout more about how you hate us. So keep hating me. Go choke back on your starbucks latte enema in New Mexico, keep b****ing about how Bush is the anti-christ and how much you hate more than half the population you tag as ignorant and we will defend you while you sleep blissfully under a blanket of ignorance and America-hatred.
Actually, no , it doesn't. Just more disgusting apologism that is not worth addressing. This puts things in a welcome perspective, and is one of the few things I agree with the President on: Bamaslammer, why don't you go over to Iraq? Civilian contractors there make between 100-200k, which I imagine is well in excess of what a sportswriter for a small regional southern newspaper pulls down. They also let them torture people too apparently,if you're into that kind of thing, which you seem to be. With your military background I think you would qualify easy. You're not being rational if you don't capitalize on your own welfare.
Wow, Bamma how many personal insults can you throw at a person, without saying much of any real substance. You claim that Clinton didn't care about OBL and terrorism even though it's been shown in thread after thread that his record gives the lie to your statement. Then the funniest part of it all is that you try and claim BJ is out of his mind for talking about hate from the right, when you post is incredibly hateful. Then you talk about him being Naive, and claim that he's saying we deserved 9/11? I have no idea where you get that from, and He's stated time and time again that he supported the military action in Afghanistan that was an appropriate response to 9/11. You appear to be the naive one. Are you intentionally failing to understand what Batman has been saying all along, or are you not able to? The funny thing is that the tactics you are talking about have a proven track record of failure. It hasn't worked for Israel, It hasn't worked in Iraq, and it didn't work when the Soviets tried it. Strong arm attacks on the symptoms rather than coordinated efforts that go to the root of the problem will continue not to work. By the way AL-Qaeda has gone on the record saying they hope that Bush is re-elected. You show very little understanding of the Constitution what it means to exercise rights in a democracy etc. It is ridiculous to claim that Batman is cheering for the enemy. Nothing he has said has indicated a desire for them to triumph over the U.S. and he's been critical of Clinton time and time again, but for some reason you can't understand that. Once again just for the beauty of it all, let's take a look... Yeah, Batman why don't you follow Bamma's Christian example, and stop your hating. Batman, there is just too much hatred coming from you.
