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Should protesters be paid?

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Should college protesters be paid?

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  2. No

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  1. RocketsLegend

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    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428768/oberlin-students-protests-paid-for-document



    The Oberlin College Black Student Union has released a list of 50 “Institutional Demands” for the school, including one that orders it to pay black students who organize protests $8.20 per hour for doing so.

    The 14-page (!) document opens with this nice buzzword salad:

    Oberlin College and Conservatory is an unethical institution From capitalizing on massive labor exploitation across campus, to the Conservatory of Music treating Black and other students of color as less than through its everyday running, Oberlin College unapologetically acts as [sic] unethical institution, antithetical to its historical vision.

    “This institution functions on the premises of imperialism, white supremacy, capitalism, ableism, and a cissexist heteropatriarchy,” it continues.

    Other demands on the list include one for the “establishment of special, segregated black-only ‘safe spaces’ across campus” and a “40 percent increase in the number of black students in the school’s jazz department by 2022.”

    Now, the document does state that the items on the list “are not polite requests, but concrete and unmalleable demands,” but it seems like some of them might be kind of tough to accomplish. First of all, creating “segregated” spaces for black students might be kind of hard considering that, you know, segregation ended and the fact that it ever existed in the first place is pretty damn near universally seen as a humiliatingly racist blemish on the fabric of our country’s history.

    It’s not clear how the school might attempt to persuade black students to join the jazz department, nor how doing so could be considered anything but way more racist than just trusting students to decide for themselves regardless of race.
    As crazy as all of this stuff sounds, the support for this petition is not limited to just a few whackos. In fact, the Chronicle-Telegram reports that it had been signed by more than 700 people when it was hand-delivered to the administration on Wednesday.

    In an email to the Telegram, Oberlin spokesman Scott Wargo said that although the school would need time to look over this particular document, it has already been working on an “inclusion and diversity strategy” for 18 months and that strategy will “be complete” by March.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    Many of the BLM protesters in Ferguson were apparently paid by George Soros.
     
  3. CometsWin

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    Ask for a million dollars while making as much noise as you can knowing you won't win. Losing gives you another justification to raise the volume and make even more noise, indefinitely.

    Perhaps this is the trend in protesting.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    Protesters are already paid in a lot of situations, but thinking a college is going to pay for them? Heh, that's hilarious.
     
  6. Dairy Ashford

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    Maybe some of them are getting college credit and others want leadership experience on their resume.
     
  7. sirbaihu

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    People get paid for editorials. What's the difference?
     
  8. Commodore

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    speech is speech and should judged on its content, irrespective of the source or their motives
     
  9. Dubious

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    It's exactly the same as paying lobbyist, PR and social media people.
    So, no.
     
  10. txtony

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    If 40% don't realize a made up city, how can they possibly judge? Lies, propaganda, ads works for good reason.
     
  11. Dairy Ashford

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    Everything. Protesting isn't a product, good or service to anyone. These black kids are sacrificing the chance to develop professional or intellectual identities for the sake of galvanizing or leveraging their racial one.
     
  12. sirbaihu

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    Please explain. 1) If the protesters pass out fliers that becomes a product or good, if that OK to you? OK. 2) If the protests give new information or perspectives, like a teacher, is that not a service?

    1) This is a false choice. Students only have time for one activity? Everyone knows this is false. 2) Who are you to decide what is best for the students? Even if protesting and developing were mutually exclusive, it doesn't mean protesting is inferior to the type of development you like. 3) Even if protesting is totally meaningless, it can fit into school activities, just they way schools host play activities or allow free student admission to football games.

    You made the same response on blue laws: "You have to force people to do what I think is good for them." That's what a dictator does.
     
  13. Northside Storm

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    Should anybody be paid?

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  14. malakas

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    This is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen.
    Protesting is a right of democracy, the right to express your opposition (as long as you don't resort to violent methods). Asking to get paid for something that is a priviledge of the society?
     
  15. sirbaihu

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    Newspapers enact the first amendment. Editors in chief get paid. . . .
     
  16. malakas

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    Newspapers are a commercial product that someone chooses to spend their hard earned money on, to buy for entertainment and information.
    Protesting is the right of any citizen, same as voting. Has nothing to do with a product made by companies.
     
  17. Dairy Ashford

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    Dictators imprison journalists and kill former officials. I posited a scenario where smaller business owners might not want to operate on Sunday at the expense of weekday revenue. You and everyone else in that thread are projecting your awful ideologies on a local ordinance.
     
  18. sirbaihu

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    The ideology of "who gives a damn whether a business is open on Sunday or not." You got me!
     
  19. sirbaihu

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    It doesn't matter to me if protesting is a product or not. Some other poster likes products more than "the right of any citizen." I was responding to that person.
     
  20. Dairy Ashford

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    No, the crap about dictators and your weird paraphrasing.
     

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