PLEASE man! You obviously have no clue. There is NO way you can get stoned from smoking ONE joint. Most people need to take huge puffs from a bong to even get slight stoned. It's not like you smell weed and you get stoned right away man. It's the same with alcohol. You need a lot to get drunk...you need a lot of weed to get stoned. Plus...I can be totally stoned and be doing my Differential Equations calculus homework NO PROBLEM so that crap about not being able to hold a conversation when you're stoned is pure BS. and have you ever seen drunk men talk? it's all gibberish...don't get me started
Hey now, no need to jump on him about it... Pot and alcohol affect different people in different ways... Some people only need a drink or two to get buzzed, and if you have smoked for any length of time, it takes more to get you stoned..if you have not smoked any..one or two hits will do the job. You cant just assume that pot/alcohol affects all people in the same way. When I was toking on a regular basis, it would take an entire joint or bowl to get stoned...whereas, after one of the many times I quit for any length of time, it would only take a few hits to get the same level of relaxation. I am on the record in many threads here as being pro-pot....but anti-any other hard drugs... The cutoff line to me as to which "drugs" should be legal versus which drugs should be illegal is ,if you can ingest/take the "drug" in it's natural state(tobacco/pot)...it should be legal....if you must process it or change it in anyway to use it(coke/heroin/xtc,etc)...it should be illegal. There should also be laws against driving while intoxicated to keep people from injuring others while they are high, just like alcohol. Also, if pot were to be regulated so that you could buy a pack of joints, the taxs could go towards other things that are needed, just like alcohol/tobacco taxes are. Money would also be saved by not spending so much federal money on an ineffective drug war....at the very least, they could devote their energies in stopping the more lethal manufactured drugs(coke/heroin/xtc/pcp/etc) So, as to the poll question and codells question....yes....and I have.... Which reminds me codell, which side are you on?
R2K, I was actually suprised to see the results of my question. Personally, I have never touched pot, smelt it or even seen it. That includes any and all drugs. Obviously I drink, but only beer and only in social circumstances. For some reason, almost everyone I know personally (wife, friends, brother, etc) has smoked pot at some time. So I was kind of naive in assuming that a good majority of the population has done it also. I am suprised to see many on the BBS are in the same situation as I am.
Can’t get stoned off one joint ???? Are you sure your smoking pot ? ( I think someone been messing with your stash ) My hats off to you, if you can be “ totally stoned “ ( 2 – 3 joints for you ) do calculus, and retain everything you have learned the next day. No way I could.
DJ, Here are some widely-known reasons: mar1juana is non-toxic and cannot cause death by overdose. Fifty thousand people die each year from alcohol poisoning, and 400,000 die each year from tobacco use. There are no documented cases of death caused by mar1juana use. Criminalizing mar1juana users and growers takes resources and jail space. We waste time, money and manpower by prosecuting those who use mar1juana. As a plant, mar1juana cannot be corporately patented as a chemical. If made legal, mar1juana could become one of the cheapest medicines available. The European medical journal The Lancet stated, "The smoking of cannabis, even in the long term, is not harmful to health. It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat than alcohol or tobacco." mar1juana can be used to treat glaucoma, to relieve pain and nausea, to prevent some malignant tumors, and to stimulate the appetite of those suffering from AIDS and eating disorders. Hemp yields four times the amount of cellulose you can get from a corn stalk. Cellulose is used to produce methanol, which has been used to power cars. Hemp has the potential to reduce or eliminate our dependence on oil ( http://jackherer.com/ ). According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, you can produce four times as much paper from an acre of mar1juana than an acre of trees. mar1juana can be harvested at a quicker rate than trees. Now chew on these facts: <a href="http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm">Annual Causes of Death in the United States</a> <a href="http://www.drugwarfacts.org/addictiv.htm">Addictive Qualities of Popular Drugs</a> <a href="http://www.drugwarfacts.org/alcohol.htm">Just a few facts about alcohol, which is legal by the way</a> <a href="http://www.drugwarfacts.org/thenethe.htm">The Netherlands and the United States<a>. This is proof that legalizing 'soft' drugs will NOT corrpupt your society. In fact it may improve it. I eagerly await your rebuttal.
What about the plant used to make cocaine. The workers use that in its natural state, should it be legal? What about opium? Shrooms? There are going to be a lot of f-ed up people walking around if we go with your plan.
Sure they should be legal. They're natural. Coke is not. It is chemically produced. Coke does not grow on a plant. Opium has to be extracted and processed (I believe. I could be slightly wrong). There's a lot of f-ed up people walking and driving around as we speak. Every day I see drivers downing beer while in traffic. Are you not upset about that? Just because something is legal doesn't mean you have to be irresponsible. There would still be public intoxication and DUI laws. It's no different than alcohol.
I said DAMN SpaceCity. Cool facts (most of which I did not know). I have never toked. Quita a few of my friends do, and they never raped anyone, accidently shot me, ran over little kids, etc. (those dumb ass commercials really piss me off...hypocritical bastards.....). As long the cootie-coo stays legal I will be a happy man. That's my drug of choice (too be dipped, not eaten however).
SpaceCity, you list that one of the reasons that mar1juana should be legal is because it is wasting jail space. Did you take into consideration that when one gets high off of mar1juana, his/her nerve cells of the brain are affected. This can lead to slow reaction time and thus, when driving, cause deaths. Which would you rather have: more dead people or more people locked up in jail? Smoking mar1juana not only affects one's brain, but also his/her heart, lungs, immune system, and sexuallly organs According to one of my sources, smoking five joints of mar1juana gives off as many cancer causing chemicals to smoking a pack of cigarettes. It has also been said that mar1juana can lead to other drugs. Once exposed to other drugs, people would find themselves in lots of trouble: such as poverty, being in jail, and
DJ, 1) mar1juana is not a gateway drug. It has been proven. It's no more a gateway drug than alcohol and cigarettes. 2) Provide me with figures that say driving while stoned causes more fatalities than drunk drivers. I already mentioned that people shouldn't drive while intoxicated. So I don't understand you argument. 3) People don't smoke pot like cigarettes so you can't really compare 1 joint to 1 cigarette. I'm certain that the average pot smoker smokes less than the average cigarette smoker. Plenty of people smoke a pack or more of cigs per day. Your average pot smoker smokes nowhere near 5 joints a day. Try again.
I could say that weed kills my drive and makes me lazy, but I'm already lazy to begin with so it might not be the weed. I don't see why mar1juana is getting all the controversy and propaganda. Crack, heroin, meth, lsd, and other drugs have been proven to be chemically addicting and lethal. No one has ever died from an overdose of weed. And the addictive effects of mar1juana are mostly mental like gambling or BBS addiction. Ever heard of the one hit wonder?
dn1282.... You gotta stop buying the mexican schwag. Just like anything....go with QUALITY, not QUANTITY.
mar1juana Myths: mar1juana damages the reproductive system This claim is based chiefly on the work of Dr. Gabriel Nahas, who experimented with tissue (cells) isolated in petri dishes, and the work of researchers who dosed animals with near-lethal amounts of cannabinoids (i.e., the intoxicating part of mar1juana). Nahas' generalizations from his petri dishes to human beings have been rejected by the scientific community as being invalid. In the case of the animal experiments, the animals that survived their ordeal returned to normal within 30 days of the end of the experiment. Studies of actual human populations have failed to demonstrate that mar1juana adversely affects the reproductive system. mar1juana is a "gateway" drug-it leads to hard drugs This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when mar1juana is readily available can be found in Holland. The Dutch partially legalized mar1juana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use-heroin and cocaine-have DECLINED substantially. If mar1juana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down. This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States. Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of mar1juana and use of alcohol. A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized mar1juana versus those that had not, found that where mar1juana was more available-the states that had decriminalized-hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased. In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that mar1juana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin. mar1juana is much more dangerous than tobacco Smoked mar1juana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy mar1juana smoker consumes mar1juana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while mar1juana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against mar1juana users make it difficult to smoke safely. These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The second is that, if mar1juana were legal, it would be more economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic. This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the reverse is true: mar1juana is much SAFER than tobacco. Legal mar1juana would cause carnage on the highways Although mar1juana, when used to intoxication, does impair performance in a manner similar to alcohol, actual studies of the effect of mar1juana on the automobile accident rate suggest that it poses LESS of a hazard than alcohol. When a random sample of fatal accident victims was studied, it was initially found that mar1juana was associated with RELATIVELY as many accidents as alcohol. In other words, the number of accident victims intoxicated on mar1juana relative to the number of mar1juana users in society gave a ratio similar to that for accident victims intoxicated on alcohol relative to the total number of alcohol users. However, a closer examination of the victims revealed that around 85% of the people intoxicated on mar1juana WERE ALSO INTOXICATED ON ALCOHOL. For people only intoxicated on mar1juana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods. For example, an economic analysis of the effects of decriminalization on mar1juana usage found that states that had reduced penalties for mar1juana possession experienced a rise in mar1juana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased. This would suggest that, far from causing "carnage", legal mar1juana might actually save lives.
I've seen that on their propaganda commercials. They omit the fact that in most of those occurances the drivers were drunk and stoned at the same time. More recent government reports back up this link but I'm too lazy to find it right now. http://www.netaxs.com/~sparky/policy/highway.htm NHTSA Accident Study Finds Drugs Not Big Danger on the Road, the Main Danger is Alcohol. mar1juana By Itself Not an Apparent Driving Hazard Dr. Dale Gieringer, California NORML (415) 563-5858. A newly released National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study indicates that alcohol is by far the leading cause of drug-related traffic accidents, while mar1juana poses negligible danger except when combined with alcohol. The study, the most comprehensive drug accident survey to date, is dated October 1992, but is only now being released. A researcher familiar with the project says this is because it contradicts the government's official anti-drug line that illicit drugs are a major public safety hazard. The study investigated blood samples from 1882 drivers killed in car, truck and motorcycle accidents in seven states during 1990 - 91. Alcohol was found in 51.5% of the specimens. Just 17.8% showed traces of other drugs; mar1juana was a distant second to alcohol at 6.7%, followed by cocaine (5.3%), benzodiazepine tranquillizers (2.9%) and amphetamine (1.9%). Two-thirds of mar1juana- and other-drug-using drivers were also positive for alcohol. The report concluded that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem" in drug-related accidents. A responsibility analysis showed that alcohol-using drivers were conspicuously culpable in fatal accidents, especially at high blood concentrations or in combination with other drugs, including mar1juana. However, those who used mar1juana alone were found to be if anything less culpable than non-drug-users. The report concluded, "there was no indication that mar1juana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." Although California NORML's "Health Tips for mar1juana Smokers," by California NORML coordinator Dale Gieringer, lists accidents and respiratory disease due to smoking as the two leading health hazards of mar1juana, these findings are consistent with other studies, which have generally found that mar1juana is rarely involved in driving accidents except when combined with alcohol. The NHTSA report, "The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers," by K.W. Terhune, et al. of the Calspan Corp. Accident Research Group in Buffalo, NY (Report # DOT-HS-808-065) is available from the National Technical Information Service, Springfield VA 22161.
If you care to eat the leaves of the coca plant(i believe that is the one), go for it..it isnt illegal to possess afaik...but I heard it tastes ultra-nasty if ya just chew on the leaves...it also isnt near as potent. opium must be processed to make heroin...Im dont know the particulars on how that all works...but I believe that the drug comes from concentrating the chemicals from the plant....opium in its natural state isnt the same as heroin. just like coca in its natural state isnt the same as cocain/crack. I said if the plant can be used in it's natural state to get high...then go for it.. both cocain and heroin have to be processed.... and there are already lots of f-ed up people walking around now...my idea would just concentrate law enforcement on the bad drugs.(where it belongs)
I've smoked pot only maybe 4 times before...so I don't think I need a lot to get stoned. I gave that up a long time ago, way back in high school. But there is NO WAY IN HELL i can get high off one joint. Besides...being stoned is not like being drunk, where you wake up with a headache and forget what you did the night before so memory retention was no problem for me. But then again, I still don't think weed should be legalized.
