that pathetic troll got his ass cyberstomped on so many times here i wouldn't have expected him back even if the grizz were leading the conference.....but i guess cockroaches really never die out
this is soooo stupid, you're criticizing a team for getting the most out of its dollar? isn't this why we love Morey. I love how fans like to spend owners' money. memphis was bleeding cash when they traded gasol. they were like the second lowest in the league in attendance with gasol. and you want him to keep losing money? yet rockets fans want to trade mcgrady thinking other teams want cap relief if the rockets trade mcgrady to a team to a team that gives us good players in return for the cap relief of next season is that terrible. its basically the same thing memphis did. so people need to quit complaining about that trade, its typical NBA business. get over it and the rest of the league was stupid for passing on randolph
Not taking them seriously yet. On a related note, Seattle needs to pony up an build an arena. Then, Memphis can move there and OKC will be in our division. Don't know when the NBA decided to change Us geography.
Thanks for this gem. So we're comparing Chris Wallace to Morey, we're invoking Gasol's name again in a discussion about 2009 and beyond, we're acting like the Gasol and McGrady cases are even remotely similar and, oh yeah, you KNEW all along that Z-Bo was going to have a breakout year. You're definitely smarter than me (and the rest of us). Congrats.
mcgrady is kwame edit: randolph is not having a breakout year, that's the point he's always been a 20-10 player
No, I got your comparison. But again, all irrelevant because this is a conversation predominately about 2009 and beyond -- which makes your stupid comment and the Gasol reference a tad bit ironic. But anyway. Randolph is having a breakout year in the sense that he has seemingly eliminated all his blackholing and boneheaded tendencies and is finally contributing to a winner. Having a 'breakout year' doesn't always have to be about the numbers. I really hope you can see that.
the only point is the rockets want players that make them contenders for an expiring contract, how is that different from LA last season having a breakout season may just mean hooping with young studs like rudy gay and gasol and mayo. maybe you can see that, I hope
OJ Mayo is a flat out stud, and with contributions coming surprisingly well from people such as Z-Bo then this team shud be taken seriously, wen on form... They gotta improve in terms of consistency and defence.
Are you talking about the year the Lakers traded for Gasol? That was 07-08 -- is that what you were getting at or do you have another sidetracking point to make? In any event, continuing to reference the Gasol trade and now the Rockets really does little to discuss the topic at hand. This Gasol trade has been beaten to death 1,000x and as I stated in this thread: I don't have a problem with Memphis agreeing to that type of trade. I just don't think they should have done the Lakers any favors (and really think in hindsight, knowing what they know now they might look at things differently if they could go back). Why does Gasol's involvement in this thread have to go beyond that? Myself and others have taken jabs at the Grizzlies' aim to focus on their bottom lines and save money (which was part of the equation in the Gasol trade), but the arguments against Heisley clearly involve a lot more than that. And as I just stated, in my case i'm not one of those people that use the Gasol trade against him in terms of being a penny-pincher. Given the Grizzlies's situation, I understand why he did it. Yeah, because this is the first time Z-Bo has ever been surrounded by talent.
what other arguments are there? they've built a team of talent, the only other arguments are out of hate yes they are talented and they built it with young talent, so you need to stop saying they lucked up into their situation. zach is putting up the same numbers he has been for 7 seasons, they got a value player in gasol, they got gay for battier. and i'm not even including mayo because he was a high lotto pick.
No kidding, they have talent. Being a perennial lottery team and acquiring 20-10 players that nobody wants will do that to you. I still think they got lucky with Randolph so I have no reason to stop saying that. Acquiring him filled a need, and that's already been established, but Randolph's MO has always been to get his numbers at the detriment of his team. For whatever reason, he's not doing that anymore. There's a reason why a 27-year-old 20-10 player was so readily available. Right now, he's clearly getting the last laugh -- I just hope this isn't an aberration and will keep up. Look, this is getting quite tedious. As I stated before, I hope the Grizzlies do well and I have spoken highly of their success this year. Trashing Heisley, their players and their fans is not something I get enjoyment out of yet I feel like that's all i'm doing here when responding to some of these arguments people are making. I like the Grizzlies (big Sam Young fan, secret fascination with the big boat of suck that is Thabeet)....I just don't like Heisley! Chris Wallace? I don't have a problem with him. As you stated, he's assembled a ton of talent and got great return for trading Gasol. The problem I have is with an owner that doesn't appear to be committed or care about winning. Calling him out on that most certainly doesn't qualify as "hate" and your attempt to reduce my arguments as such is really quite comical.
I think people should take them seriously, I mean this guy's were built on talent....I mean look at Conley Jr. he was the 4th overall pick in the 07 NBA draft, and his never even mentioned. Overall they got everything from great athletes, and even good Interior presence In (their 2nd overall pick) Thabeet, M. Gasol, and Randolph....the one thing their seriously lacking, is they have no experience in finishing games....But that come with time.. -RB
I think the question is really whether fans should be taking them seriously. Of course NBA teams should always take their competition seriously.
I understand that you question the owner's commitment to to winning and even then I still have a problem with that statement. He couldn't fill the stands when Memphis was competitive. Here we just have philosophical difference, I don't have a problem if these guys gut their teams when they don't have fan support. IMO, they do not have to put a money loser out there to satisfy anyone
I think they should be taken seriouse cuz if u don't, they'll beat u just Lik the rockets have evry team that didn't take dem seriouse jus cuz we Didn't have no stars
You're right that he couldn't fill the stands even when Memphis was a playoff team. It's sad but true. Maybe it's karma for buying the team, stating his intentions to not move then bolting to Memphis? I don't know. All I do know is that it's pretty pathetic that the city of Memphis can't support the only major sports team that they have. But anyway. Given Heisley's reluctance to spend money (stated his plan is to keep the payroll under $50M), the absolute best case scenario for this team is exactly where they are now: defying the odds and hanging around .500 despite having the lowest payroll in the league. We all know simply spending money and "buying" players (such as the case in baseball) doesn't guarantee wins nor is it an option in the NBA, but there is undeniably a strong correlation between the best teams in the league and how much money they spend. That's a fact. It's also something that will always be a hindrance in conversations like these whenever you have an owner that either cannot or will not spend the necessary money to keep a team like this competive. He has stated his intentions are to keep his payroll under $50M. This goes out to you, MemphisX. [Per Hoopshype numbers...] Their payroll this year is at $54M and $47M in salary obligations for next year. Unless Rudy Gay accepts the qualifying offer it's nearly impossible for them to remain under that $50M mark and resign Gay this offseason (as alluded to). Simply stated: in order for that to be the case, changes will have to be made and that's PRECISELY what I was getting at with my original post in this thread about how I wouldn't be surprised at all for Heisley to induce some sort of penny-pinching move that will compromise the level of play the Grizzlies are currently at just for the sake of his bottom lines.
LMAO...Memphis was out drawing Houston not so long ago but Memphis is pathetic? Memphis is the smallest market in the NBA. Houston on the other hand is a top 5 market yet still resides in the bottom 3rd of NBA attendance. And Heisley has never stated his intention to keep the payroll under $50 million. You made that up. When the team traded Pau Gasol, they announced they were rebuilding through the draft. They tried to sign Josh Smith in 2008 when they traded Love for Mayo. When they missed out on Blake Griffin, they traded for Randolph. So the notion that they have a history of not spending is just false. They have a history of over paying. Paying the luxury tax to make the playoffs. Paying their GM $5+ million. Paying Mike Fratello. You are confusing fiscal responsibility with being cheap.
Baller ur my man, but i think u have got this all wrong. Whats wrong with staying flexible? I mean, there is a salary floor in the nba. A big market team like the clippers have always stayed down there until they decided to pay their talent when warranted. The clips absorbed camby and his 10m because they were under the cap. Its very easy to get players without giving up much when under the cap. When memphis was making the playoffs, pau was a max player and williams was making 8m along with miller making 8m and wright making good money. That team ran its course, they moved shane,pau, and those other and rebuilt with picks during the draft. They missed griffin and it wouldve been very easy to sit on their hands, but they traded for gasol. I dont get why u think they dont spend money on players.
