It doesn't matter if a white person cracks on another white person. If a black joke is made and its not from a black person, then its racist. No contest! I would think its safe to assume they are not racist, eh? As a group, we need to quit labeling people as to if they are or are not racist. Let the idividual decide that. You have given a case of stereotyping. Stereotyping and racism are totally two different things. Keep the definitions in mind Racism: Hate or Look down upon ALL of a race - no reason needed Stereotype: Labeling a group as to a common characteristic Just because I say Asians like rice does not mean i hate them.
Interesting idea, but I can't agree. Racism means to discriminate via thought or action on the basis of the arbitrary characteristic of skin color. If one attributes negative qualities to a stereotype of an entire race, then having a couple of friends of that race doesn't render one a non-racist. "I hate all black people... except my friend Dave..." is a racist statement.
I don't think UT has an Asian quota. It's a pretty diverse school. They don't look at surnames when you apply, as far as I know. The top 10% rule may have screwed you over though. I think that rule sucks.
I am not a racist by any means, but I am definately not for making racism a crime. Now, criminal acts committed because of that are definately crimes (obviously), but in this country, your views are your own, and you have every right to believe them and express them, just not to commit felonies based on those ideas. The "thought police" do not exist here (not yet at least). Furthermore, if we were to make racism illegal, we'd have to define it in a very specific nature. What one person considers racism, someone else may not. It becomes such a difficult item to get a handle on that it would be impossible to create a law with any sort of meaning.
Why am I grouped with the majority? skin color. That's rascist. It should be obvious that I differ on opinions with many on this board who are white, but never the less I have been grouped with them. I am the first in my bloodline to graduate from college. My family's economic background is closer to the stereotypical minority background than the stereotypical background of the majority. I do feel like a minority because I'm only one person and I'm unique. When general offensive qualities are attributed to a charactetristic I have, I tend to be offended. If i wasn't a rascist, This wouldn't bother me. If affirmative action was based on economic background, solely, I would be for it. Any aid it gives would be slanted towards minority races becuase of historical reasons, but would not be rascist. I have never been in the "white clique" in which cigars are smoked and plans are set to oppress minoriites. I watched this documentary about this program that was devoted to racial harmony. People would go through a series of rooms that had tests to place thgem in other peoples shoes. The last room had a test and two exits. A rascists door and a nonrascists door. The non rascists door was locked. If you are proud of your race, you're a rascist. If you're not proud of your race, you're a rascist. If you're like they have the same skin color as me, but I'm not with them, you're not a rascist. I see other races as different. This makes me a racist. I believe everyone has a clean slate when they're born, whether you become good or evil is each person's own decision which is independent of race. I am sick of people saying the majority oppresses the minority. Because I'm grouped with the majority, its the same as saying I'm oppressing the minorities. Reverse racism (which is just another term for rascism) may not be as bad as "original" racism, but it is bad just the same. Just because Joe Smoe did something bad to person X, does not give justification for person X to do something to Joe Joe. Go after Joe Smoe! BTW, of my good friends (not including family), only one is white. Most of my racial feelings are reactionary, but that doesn't make them right. Ottoman, I know its bad to be a racist. I don't see how trying to move towards correcting the problem through a serious discussion on the topic is stupid. I don't feel public humiliation. Either that, or I'm trying to sabotage my chances of getting two votes in the best poster contest.
Oh Christ!! Princess you've made yet another post of claims without any proof, facts, or evidence. You're against hate crime legislation because you believe very few crimes are not based on hate, but you have no facts on that. You don't consider yourself a racist but every other word you post on here completely contradicts that. Your life has been impacted by racism which you've never substantiated yet you don't blame them for where you are even though you drone on and on about how you couldn't get into whatever school because of affirmative action which you of course can't substantiate at all. You would love affirmative action if it worked but you have nothing to show that it hasn't worked and more importantly affirmative action in admissions has been illegal for about 5 years now but that hasn't seemed to stop you from claiming to have been a victim of it. To be perfectly blunt, just because you post your honest opinions on things doesn't mean they're not racist and naive. Instead of repeating the same things over and over again try substantiating your beliefs with something other than it's just my honest opinion.
I am against Hate crimes, why do we need more legislation, if it is already a crime, prosecute them for it. Seems a bit excessive to me and unecessary. DaDakota
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Oh, where to begin? First, those are my opinions. If you don't like them, tough! Get over it. It's not affecting your life, is it? You don't read too well, do you? I don't like the hate crime bill because why would you commit a crime unless you hate someone (other than to make money off of it). All crimes to me involve some kind of hate. And how do you determine hate? John Doe might hate being poor so he robs a store and kills the shop keeper. That's a hate crime to me. Jane Doe kills a Chinese man because she's a racist. That's a hate crime. I don't see why someone should get a larger penalty for the same crime based on someone's definition of hate. I don't think that a black man who kills a white man out of hate would get the same trial as a white man who kills a black man out of hate. And it's the exact same crime. Crime is about hate on one level or another, and that's my opinion. The only reason I "drone on" about my encouter with racism is because you told me I didn't know what racism was because I was white. And even when I claimed to, you wouldn't listen. Other than on this board, I have not talked about it, or really thought about it in the last 2 years or more. And I said I didn't get into that school because of affirmative action type programs. Again, please read a post before you respond to it. And just because I talk about it doesn't me I blame them. I think you need to know the difference. I acknowledge what happened and know that where I am in my life is a result of that. I could have said "screw college" after I didn't get it, but that would not have been their fault. It would be my fault for making the choice not to go to college, which would be a result of that rejetion. Instead, I got into another school and a great scholarship and I'm happy where I am now. My decision could have gone two ways when I got rejected. My own decision is the only thing to blame or praise for my lot in life. And affirmative action hasn't worked that I've seen. If it did, minorities would be enrolled at schools equal to the percentage of them in the country and have equal qualifications to the "oppressive majority." I haven't seen any evidence of this. You yourself have claimed on this board that minorities still don't have equal opportunities (and if not you, someone else). That's enough proof for me that it hasn't worked. And as long as there are boxes for race on college applications, I will believe that that school is still practicing discrimination-either against minorities or against whites. I don't know why it still surprises me when you have no clue what my posts are about. Just because I don't have proof of it doesn't make it wrong. I don't have any proof that I'm right or wrong. These are opinions. My opinions are such because I have thought about them. I never said they are right. But they're not completely naive. They are the most well thought out they can be at this point in my life. Will they change? Maybe, even probably. But you change opinions through experience, knowledge and growth. At 20, this is what I think. That's it. I thought the hate crime bill was great when I first heard about it. But I thought about it and discussed it with people and formulated my own opinion. It's a shame that you obvisouly refuse to see anything other than what you believe (I think the word for that is naive). I never asked anyone to accept my views and I never said they were right. I just said them. You're really the only person who can't accept that. If you think I'm a naive racist I hate to know what you think about yourself. I may not be a nice person. I may hate people of every race, but it's not because of their race. I judge people based on their attitudes. Rich, poor, black, white-it doesn't matter. And I have every right to judge people, and so do you and so does everyone else. I am secure in who I am and I am secure in what I believe. If you want to try to prove me wrong, go ahead. Personally, I think you need to read and process the information before you "drone on" about how wrong I am.
It's been proven without a shadow of a doubt that your opinions are wrong and pretty dumb actually but don't let that stop you from repeating them ad naseum.
Geez this girl is stupid, unbelievable when you think she can't possibly sound dumber she proves you wrong.
Who are you talking to? I've really haven't seen any proof is this thread either way. I've seen it pointed out that somethings are speculation, but saying your opponent is speculating isn't proof you are right. I speculate that racism can't be defeated unless it is acknowledged that it is everywhere. Racism most be defeated and controlled within before it can be defeated externally. I don't deny that affirmative action has done some good, but I affirm it has injured some. This was proven by the Hopwood case. There are more cases that have gone the other way, but I just need one case to show a law is prejudice. I want equal protection under the law for low income people that are discriminated against by current affirmative action policy. Affirmative action could accomplish its goals without being based on race. I can't prove it because its never been tried to my knowledge.
Sorry Joe Joe I wasn't speaking to you and I understand your comments. The Hopwood case is one example here in Texas of affirmative action being overturned but the end result was the 10% rule which could be much much worse than affirmative action. The 10% rule seems to be based on the naive opinion that everything is equal so everyone has a fair chance. In theory if everything is equal, every school is equally funded, equally safe, equally equipped, equally staffed, etc. then the top 10% of each school should be equally qualified. So you either deal with affirmative action in giving some minorities a boost or you allow in the top 10% of every class in the state, even from horribly bad schools. The Hopwood case was a win but ironically in the end has the potential to cost white students more than they gained. It's a classic be careful what you wish for type of situation. I also agree partly on your idea of affirmative action being based on economics however the nature of racism is that it doesn't matter how rich or poor you are. Even super rich minorities like Tiger Woods get reminded of what the color of their skin is on a daily basis.
Where has it been proven (without a shadow of a doubt in fact)? You ask me proof supporting my opinions but you won't give a concrete example of it being wrong. And how can an opinion be wrong? Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.
Don't you think it's diverse, because there is a quota? If there was no quota, UT would be more dominated with Asians and Anglos, than it is right now. I know I will get bashed by my insensitive remarks, but facts are facts.
Princess has a point. Is killing a person because you don't like his or her skin color WORSE than killing a person because you want their car stereo? The end result is the same damn thing, an innocent person dying for a stupid reason. Racism seems to be held on a "pedestal" of sorts, in that the crime that is involved with it, always is made out to be ten times worse than crimes that are equally as bad.
There are no quatas at UT. They do try to promote diversity from qoutes in The Daily Texan, but Hopwood prevents them from setting quotas. The story of the year at UT that no one has printed is that Vincent Young is a QB and noone questions he will one day be the starting QB. Ten years ago everyone said a black quarterback would never start at UT. This year, it being a none story should be a story. Progress.
There are white people who say they are so bad off because black people have it so easy because of affirmative action, racism, etc. There are blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. who feel the same way about their race. Umm...I know there are more than just white people that take advantage of the welfare system...PLENTY MORE! Now I acknowledge that there are probably many more illegal aliens that are Hispanic/Latino in America than any other race but that doesn't mean they're the only ones that take government assistance without being a citizen of the country. The reason I pointed these out is because you can't say you hate black people that do ________ when a white, Hispanic, or whatever does the same thing. I would consider the above racists statements. Now I'm not trying to start anything Princess just showing you that you're wrong for hating a certain sector of people for doing one thing when another or all other sectors of people do the same thing.
Is killing a police officer worse than killing a bum on the street? Is killing someone while being involved in a drug deal worse than killing someone for ****ing your wife? Our criminal justice system says yes. I believe the argument is that hate never happens in a vacuum. No one person wakes up one day and says, "I think 'll hate [insert ethnic group here]. Maybe I'll kill one." Generally, it occurs as a conspiracy of sorts. Hate is reinforced by a group of other people who hate the same people you do, until with their reinforcement, you decide to kill someone. Hate crime laws are designed to punish such crimes more severly in order to hopefully dissuade someone from commiting one. Oh, and quotas are illegal, have been for sometime now.
