Should George Allen lose re-election for his "Macaca" gaffe?

your kidding right? every single one of your posts in here is trying to make excuses or defend his macaca jab.

 

batman probably hasnt called someone an ethnic slur whilst running for public office and if he did he wouldnt deserve to get elected.

and we have pretty much established 100% that this is what this man did. but if you want to keep defending him go right ahead.

 

Like people have said earlier, George Allen has a history of questionable activity. If this was the only incident he was ever involved in, then I'm sure it would just be a one day story, but he has a history.

 

But I think you're missing the point. In your example, the original student that came up with the comment didn't have a history surrounding him regarding racial insensativity.

You use history as a filter to determine the intent of the individual. That's why when someone in the KKK calls a minority by some obscure and potentially racially charged term, you assume he meant it in a racist manner because of his history.

Allen isn't part of the KKK nor does have a history that blatant regarding racial insensativity, but he does have some history. It is this history that gives people some credence and credibility when they accuse Allen of making racially insensative remarks.

 

don't worry new yorker.. 70% of people here think the allen made a racial/deragatory slur because they're liberals and it has noting to do with the facts..

and the remaining 30% with you leading them are basing everything on the facts and nothing else..

people like you can be okay with what he did but it does not mean he did not do anything wrong..

 

No, you're not.

I posted a long article on page one of the thread detailing his history with the CCC (the direct descendant of a white power group) which opposes bi-racial marriage among other things and which is commonly recognized as a "hate group." The article also references Allen's defense of Lott's racist remarks and his opposition to recent Civil Rights legislation and making MLK Day a holiday. And that's not all. Read the article. You aren't "only bringing an alternative viewpoint." You are willfully ignoring the facts, which are posted in detail in this very thread. When someone that has such a long and storied relationship with racism calls someone "Macaca," there is no reasonable doubt whatsoever about what he meant.

 

I'm not actually that passionate about it. I'm just baffled by your instistence on excusing blatant racism. George Allen has a long history of it, I've posted a detailed account of that history and you come back with stuff like "Why's everybody so upset? Just cause he had a Confederate flag? Maybe he didn't mean Macaca as a racial slur..." Here's a question for you: Why are you so insistent on ignoring George Allen's lifelong history of racism (to the point of even asking if he had one after I'd already posted an account of it)? "Not trying to put you down or question you in anyway - I'm just curious. I'm interested." And I really, really am. I am totally freaking fascinated by people who pull out all the stops to excuse racism.

p.s. Have you even read the article I posted on page one? Because it really, really, really, really seems like you haven't.

 

one could ask you the same question. why are you do passionate about defending stupid comments?

 

the only thing im extrapolating from your comments that is you are making a very impassioned defense and comming up w/ all kinds of lame excuses for a stupid comment made by a dumb man. despite the fact that evidence and common sense would indicate that he knew exactly what he was saying when he called the kid macaca, you still want to tell us that he probably didnt know what it meant.

 

dont put words im mouth (or in my keyboard). where did i say calling someone an ethnic slur makes one a "racist unfit to serve in public office". where did i say that? show me. as tradertexx would say "your credibility is on the line" - "thnx in advance".

i do think its indicative of the fact that you are unfit for public office though, and i wouldnt vote for someone who was so callous.

millions of people arent running for public office.

i have not called someone an ethnic slur to their face since maybe 2nd grade. and even then i apologized immediately afterward, unlike allen, who should have a little more maturity than an 8 year old. as a grown-up man, i have never called someone an ethnic slur. again though, they key difference that you seem to overlook is that im not running for public office.

 

actually, why is he so passionate that he started a thread and even a poll for it?

 

Yes, he should. And it wasn't a gaffe... it was intentional and a base appeal aimed at his constituency.

And by the way NY, when Bats made the "innocent" remark he was talking about the fact that Allen is guilty of using the term intentionally while knowing it's meaning. Nice attempt to confuse the issue though.

I may draw some flak for this, but I think everyone has some racist thoughts/tendencies/etc. I think it would be impossible to grow up in the US and especially the South without them (of course, a childhood in rural East Texas during the 60's may be part of my own biases and perhaps there are others out there really aren't racist at all... though I doubt it). The only grace we have on the issue is to acknowledge it and try to starve it to death and do our best not to pass it on to the next generation. Looking at Allen, it looks like he's not only fed the beast, but has embraced it for political gain. He should have never been a Senator inthe first place, much less re-elected. And to think he's considered a frontrunner in the GOP for President. Disgraceful.

 

Is it illegal to be a racist?

DD