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Should George Allen lose re-election for his "Macaca" gaffe?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewYorker, Sep 1, 2006.

  1. vlaurelio

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    what a lame excuse he was clearly not talking to Webb. Webb wasn't even there. It was clear he was not talking to the digital cam or sending a message to Webb as well.. He was directly talking with Sidarth.. or whom he called "macaca" twice even though he already met him previously ..

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226858_student26.html?syndication=rss

     
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  2. Dairy Ashford

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    And if Jerry Falwell or Trent Lott called some guy a n*gg*r, we'd all have deja-vu.

    Incidentally, George Allen has probably locked down the White People Who Have Made Racial Slurs They Later Regret vote, which should put his poll numbers firmly in the low triple-digits.

    And I'm pretty the sure the last time Virginia had a native African population large enough to worry about offending, they were probably all "indentured."
     
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  4. Dairy Ashford

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    Beware the sheeny curse.
     
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    That sound you hear is Allen's presidential hopes being flushed away. Serves him right.
     
  6. KingCheetah

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    Macaca (also written as macaque) is a dismissive epithet used by Francophone colonials in Africa for native populations of North and Subsaharan Africans.[1] It is also sometimes used as a code word in the White Power Movement, to refer to blacks and other non-Caucasians.[2] It is derived from the name of the genus comprised of the macaque primates.

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  7. NewYorker

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    Well...if it's likely he knew that, and it seems likely that calling him Macaca twice would be unwise....then it appears that George Allen, especially with his history of racial issues, has dug himself in.

    It's still strange though...you have all the stereotypes of south asians - 7/11's, taxi drivers, dot-heads, and what not, i've never heard anyone refer to them as macaca.....

    Oh well, looks like Georgie boy can't be senator, but never prez.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    It is not illegal to be a racist, just not very cool.

    If his constituency want him in there, then that is part of being a democratic republic.

    Let the voters decide.

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  9. KingCheetah

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    Clearly Allen saw a brown skinned person whom he didn't like and responded by calling him a racial slur.
     
  10. vlaurelio

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    but again he met him and knows his name but still decided to call him macaca twice..

    what are you still trying to figure out or defend? you think racists see a difference between south asians, africans, middle eastern, or asians? they're all minority and not welcome to america for them..

    whether is the correct racial slur is irrelevant.. the fact is it is a racial slur.. sidharth may be african, asian, or middle eastern and be called macaca and it is still racially offensive..
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    George Allen has been exposed. His line of thinking has been laid bare for all to see.
     
  12. Dairy Ashford

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    I dunno, did Gennifer Flowers destroy Clinton's chances? Did alcoholism destroy W's? Did draft-dodging or alleged drug-use destroy either one of them? Gaffes like this have a tendency to make politicians more human, especially for the baby boomer generation, where everyone seems to have been drunk, high, divorced or in jail at least once in their lives. You also see the people who attacked them for it being accused of "not caring" about "real issues." "See, minorities and poor people? Bush and Quayle are more concerned about Murphy Brown and Gennifer Flowers than about the economy." "See, Southerners and Midwestern voters? Democrats care more about racial sensitivity than about terror, border security or family values."

    Try to think back to some of the jokes and comments you've heard in school or at work, that no one ever apologized for and was never asked to. Or just watch five minutes on Comedy Central, or the Chelsea Handler Show. Or read Ann Coulter's columns about Kwanzaa or about the Muslims reacting to the Danish comic strip, y'know, before she became a #1 bestselling autor. Racial slurs are part of our culture, they're the outlet for the ignorance and fear that used to engender lynchings, racial covenants, white flight and glass ceilings.
     
  13. NewYorker

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    my point is - who knew what macaca meant before this? I certainly didn't....
     
  14. geeimsobored

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    but George Allen did and he's an idiot for using the term.
     
  15. jo mama

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    george allen knew.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    George Allen did know given his back ground, and where his mother is from. He knew what it was, and he used it. He has been exposed.
     
  17. NewYorker

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    We can't be 100% certain can we? We can think it's likely he knew, but just because his mother is from a certain region? Maybe his mother never said that word.

    Personally, I think he said it in jest - trying to be funny, and he was aware that he was making a racial epithat.

    Think about it, why would he do that - he's not stupid. He knows that a racial slur would be a very bad thing - he's a politician after all.

    He said it without thinking...without awareness of the damage he was doing. I'm convinced of that. I don't think his canidacy should be judged by that.

    This guy was about to win an award from a minority group after all.

    Don't actions count louder then words?

    I do think if he had reacted differently and said something like this:

    "My comments reflect how unaware many of us regarding the ingrained prejudices we may have - and things we may speak without knowing the harm they are capable of causing others....certainly this is an opportunity for self-reflection and growth as a person and I learn to understand what it must be like to be a minority"

    Would that have changed anyone's mind?
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    NewYorker: George Allen has a long history as a proud racist. Read the article I posted on page one and say again that he's an innocent. I dare you.
     
  19. jo mama

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    simple quantum physics dictates that nothing is 100%, but this is pretty close. if you want to continue to belive that he didnt know what he is saying go for it, but common sense would make me think otherwise.
     
  20. NewYorker

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    who said i believed that? When did I express that?
     

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