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Should Donatas Motiejunas get Omri Casspi's minutes?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Progs, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. fonzie_004

    fonzie_004 Member

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    I don't understand the fascination with this guy he is not good enough for our rotation right now, i am a rockets fan and thus support him and hope for him to develop, but he has one thing going for him and that's his offensive post game, he usually stands on the perimeter on offense thus making him useless. this could be on mchale, but he just can't shoot
     
  2. The Jabberwock

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    Stats-wise alone

    Per 36 minutes:

    Donatas Motiejunas
    12.2 PT, 7.3 RB (O:1.9, D:5.4), 0.9 AS, 0.2 ST, 1.6 BL, 1.2 TO, -6.3 in +/-
    Shooting 34.5% / 10.0% / 57.1%
    Omri Casspi
    14.4 PT, 6.6 RB (O:1.4, D:5.2), 2.6 AS, 1.5 ST, 0.5 BL, 2.0 TO, +4.7 in +/-
    Shooting 43.7% / 34.7% / 68.2%

    You do the math... :(
     
  3. noone

    noone Rookie

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    Donatas Motiejunas would be the backup center but he's soft and doesn't have the heart. I would cut him.
     
  4. omgTHEpotential

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    Nonsense. D-Mo has a superior passing to Omri's. Casspi shouldn't be getting any extra time, unless it comes from Garcia. D-Mo should log heavier minutes.
     
  5. omgTHEpotential

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    Also, DMo may not be able to stretch the floor this season, but damn - Casspi's 3-point shooting has REALLY declined during the season. He was nearly .500 to start the season and everyone was talking how sharp a shooter he is, while in reality he's just a streaky shooter and that's it. He's down to .347 right now and was shooting .308 in last 5 games. He's not really capable of stretching the floor himself.
     
  6. omgTHEpotential

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    Comparing Casspi who has logged in over 700 minutes this season versus a guy who played only around 140 minutes is not a good argument. Sample size my friend, sample size. +/- is such a flawed stat it's not even funny.
     
  7. galpeleg

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    Casspi 3 may be in a slum but he still create a threat from the outside and he cut and create opportunity for others.
    while Dmo create NO threat from the outside and can be left there unguarded

    about Dmo having better passing ??????
    i fear u let your bias cloud your vision (and your stat reading ability)
     
  8. Rox23

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    This reminds me of when McHale took Budinger out of the rotation to play a Rookie Parsons long minutes. Parsons wasn't nearly as good then, as he is now; and although I do agree that Parson should have got playing time, so should have Bud: McHale shouldn't have just taken him right out of the rotation.

    McHale is an inexperienced coach who--with the exception of Parsons--doesn't have a very good eye for how good players "can" be. McHale overplayed for example Lowry into an injury b/c he was afraid to play Lowry's back, Dragic. Then Dragic surprised the heck out of McHale when Lowry went down. McHale missed Lin the first time around (cut him) and missed the potential of one James Anderson.
     
  9. omgTHEpotential

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    He does. DMo has a better court-vision and passing ability. I know you can't tell that from the games, because DMo isn't getting any playing time to showcase those skills, he's only used to clog the paint and as an occasional spot-up shooter, which aren't his strengths. He has the best post-game on this team, which isn't being used by McHale, he's also an elite passing big man.
     
  10. The Jabberwock

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    I think you may have a point there.

    I admit I haven't seen DMo play that much to tell how good a passer he is,
    and I thought he played quite well in our last few games (Remember that wild happy dunk last week?)

    I'd really like to see him get more minutes (In Asik's or Smith's absence, or on some of Casspi's, TJ's, Dwight's or even Parsons minutes),
    in hope that he may be there for the team come playoffs (The big men season...)

    The thing is that on most nights he doesn't seem able to grab every short minute he gets to show what he has to offer.
    Looks like his ego is shaky right now (rock-bottom slump in shooting % from all ranges, for instance),
    and he needs a long time and a lot of minutes to (hopefully) build his confidence.
    The problem is that we are aspiring to be a contender NOW....

    It is just a matter of character, I guess -
    Some people are better cut for stressfull test situations when they need to prove themself immediately (auditions, etc.).
    Such players actually thrive and perform better under pressure or under the microscope (Remember Casspi in preseason?).
    All they need is to get half a chance, and they'll make the best of it, and showcase their sharpest form
    (but on the other hand - As they grow accustomed to the situation and routine settles in - their performance may decline).

    Perhaps DMo is not that kind of an "opportunity grabber", which is OK really,
    but as we can't afford to experiment infinitely - He needs to find a little more of that within himself.

    I really hope it happens!
     
  11. galpeleg

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    sorry but if passing cant be seen from his game it dont really exist .
    unlike many other BB skill , passing is NOT position dependent.
    if u can pass, u can pass no matter if u in the post or in the perimeter.

    unless u claim Dmo has a great vision when he in the post but loose his sight when he move away from the basket (altough such distance dependent blindness can explain Dmo 3 shooting :) ).

    i understand u are Dmo fan, and i dont say he a bad player, but passing and court vision is not an ability Dmo showcased so far
     
  12. Normalus

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    This guy never watched Rockets games. Fact.
     
  13. omgTHEpotential

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    Oh come on. You're being unreasonable. I know you've only started following Rockets AFTER Casspi got here, so I'll throw you a bone:

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  14. hlmbasketball

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    WE NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE LIN'S MINUTES, HE SUCK!!
     
  15. galpeleg

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    in order to watch NBA game i need to wake up at 03:00 so yes i started watch Huston game only this year.

    i judge player ability on what i sow him showcase and tbh i believe it actually quite reasonable.
    i fully admit Dmo is a better post player then Casspi that why i say he should get some of TJ minute and be played as a backup center
    but this year Dmo dont show a good passing ability, also he dont show much fight/hassle
    if u say Dmo was great passer last year i wont argue with u on that (i dont argue where lack knowledge) but THIS YEAR Dmo dont show such ability.
     
  16. HMMMHMM

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    This is my view as well. I like Casspi and I don't get the negativity towards him. A few games aside he's been very good and the numbers back it up. I have no problem whatsoever with him being the stretch-4 off the bench.

    So, no, D-Mo definitely should not get Casspi's minutes.
     
  17. Normalus

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    You still arguin when you didn't watch a game this season. You should stop it.

    @1.40, and that's a bad vision for 7'-footer?
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  18. omgTHEpotential

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    Court-vision/passing isn't shooting touch where one could deteroriate. He was AND is a great passer. Not getting minutes and therefore not showing it doesn't mean he doesn't have it. So your argument is moot.
     
  19. kuku

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    A 7-footer is not good at passing nor has the court vision? LOL It's a whole lot easy to pass the ball OVER others who are shorter than you. You can see a lot better when you are taller too!

    After all said and done, basketball is still about height.
     
  20. galpeleg

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    i watched almnost every game huston played THIS year
    i hadnt watch last year.

    i agrea that passing and court vision is a skill that isnt likely to deteroriate, but Dmo hadnt show case such skill this year.
    please check his stat of this year posted in this thread by "The Jabberwock"
     

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