hold on a second. what's this about golf being a girls sport to begin with? Are you sure that you are not confusing golf with croquet?
Augusta National should catch all this flack just for being this idiotic. Women can play there, what does it hurt to let them become members? Because they're too full of stubborn pride to admit when they're being assholes? Jeez, these guys lose nothing by allowing women members, yet they stubbornly refuse to do it. For being this stupid, they should catch all of this.
Hmm...never noticed Achebe with the trollish comments before...go figure. I'm sorry you don't see the appeal of golf Achebe - and until you hit a shot and watch it head for the pin or hit a golf ball a couple of football fields, you never will. It's a shame. Puedlfor: The members run the club. It wouldn't be one of the most exclusive clubs in the world if they let whoever bullied them join. If it was called "The sexist old white boys club" (which it undubitably is), no woman would want to join.
Would any of you have a problem with a private organization discriminating on the basis of race? I really want to get someone to type this down. Please.
It's a private organization rm95... of course they can keep blackie out. Gutter, I'm sure that when I start to break down and can no longer function as a man, I'll take up golfing and knitting. A girl's gotta stay busy.
I've already typed it (not that I count or anything). I believe a private club should be able to discriminate however they see fit. I think it's a freedom they should enjoy. I further believe that if they should elect to do this (like Augusta does), then they should catch all sorts of hell (like Augusta is "enjoying" right now). Basically, I think this is an issue that should only be judged by the court of public opinion.
I must admit...I'm really impressed by your use of Roget's Thesaurus in an attempt to bash me. Well keep sitting there in your precious Ivory Tower and let us living here in reality make the tough decisions. As for the topic at hand..."I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it."
It is simply a different argument. We live in a multicultural society. We do not live in a wholly unisex society. That is the difference. You obviously care about this passionately. I have never seen you call entire groups of people assholes so frequently.
Pole, I agree with you. They should not be sued to be able to allow women to become members of their club. But just because they are legally right doesn't mean they are right to exclude women. Just as it's legal to have an abortion, I'm sure there are many pro-lifers who don't think it's right.
What is it that you do not understand about the word private? Would I agree with a golf club discriminating on the basis of race? Hell no, but if thats what a private organization wants, that is their business. Not letting someone in because of race is completely different than not letting someone in because of their gender. and the NOW loses nothing by accepting that Augusta will not accept a woman as a member...remember, the NOW started this, not Augusta
This is great advice! Too bad those darkies didn't follow it when they wanted to get into whites-only restrooms in private restaraunts. And back in the day whitey didn't think spooks would fit in. Isn't it "normal people" that usually drive the government to take action in a democracy? (never mind, I forgot that we actually live in a quasi-fascist plutocracy). Seriously though, I can see both points of view on this. If you believe in the rights of a private organization to do as they wish, so be it. What I can't understand is how people are so hostile to the women's perspective. The lack of respect for opposing opinons is disturbing. It's like they can't sympathize with them one bit. But I guess you have to have suffered from some sort of discrimination to empathize. So I'll bet it's mainly white males that dismiss the race/gender analogies as completely inapplicable. I'd love to hear the opinions of those who disagree. But -- and I'm actually serious now -- only from non-white males, or females of any color. Isn't it my right as a private individual to solicit responses from any subset of the population I want?
You can throw together any number of racially charged epithets you'd like in an attempt to make people feel bad about their view. To me this isn't about whether Augusta should admit women...this is about a group trying to strongarm an organization into doing their bidding. Why can't more people see this?
I fail to see how discriminating against people because of their skin color or ethnicity is different than discriminating against someone because of their sex. You will <B>never</B> convince me that one is OK and the other is not.
How is that any different than people of color "strongarming" a restaurant to try and be able to eat there? Or piss there?
Relax, these comments were made slightly tongue-in-cheek. This is exactly the type of hostility that scares me, and makes me wonder if there's more to this than a private organization's rights. I'm not out to persecute people who support Augusta's stance, even though I disagree. I was hoping likewise from the other side. And as far as wanting "more people to see this," I think it's clear the majority of the people on this BBS are on your side. But apparently only 100% agreement is the only thing acceptable.
If this thread isn't indicitive of the final nail in the coffin of the Clutch and BrianKagy's nightmare of the liberal Hangout, then I don't know what is.
You know why it's different - or at least you should. Think about it this way...during the civil rights movement in the 60s, African-Americans showed acts of defiance in restaurants large and small all over the US. Some were publicized and some were not. It's not like they just picketed Tavern on the Green. NOW has taken no such action. They have called the news media and called out Tiger Woods for no apparent reason. Then they've said some nasty things about Hootie Johnson. Acts of civil disobedience vs. Strongarming through the media Any way you slice it the two aren't remotely comparable.
