Should Amare and Diaw be banned for leaving the bench?

as much as i want the suns to win this series i really can't say i honestly want either side to get suspended. game 5 is going to be the most important game of the series and if you suspend players for that game you'll only be giving the spurs the game.

 

lol wow i wasnt done with my post, anyways i didnt get to see what happened but if amare was already at the scorers table ready to check in then he shouldn't be suspended, if he left the bench though.. :/

 

He was suspended for 15 games for throwing 1 punch.

 

I can understand if the league suspends these 2. I see ambiguities to "whether they left the vicinity of the bench" and whether it was an "altercation" or merely they ran to their down player--but I can see the league wanting to be firm.

But then is the question what do to do the instigator. Bob Horry was the one who committed the flagrant 2 and got ejected. He was the player who through the only blow after the incident.

How many games did Juwan get for pushing Derek Anderson on a breakaway a few years ago? 2 games, 3 games? The NBA does weigh consequences--in that case Anderson was injured and that was weighed. And in the current case though Bob Horry's play was lucky not to injury anyone his play resulted in everything else that happened, including potential suspensions. If they suspend Diaw and Amare--that should be wieghed in Horry's judgement just as an injury would because the effect on the oppositing team is the same.

 

Then Horry should be suspended what 5 games for throwing an elbow at a guys throat after his own seperate flagrant 2?

 

I'm not saying he should be. If this were the old NBA, the one I grew up and loved, it would be a one-game suspension. There's nothing wrong with that. Dirty play and fighting should be punished.

But I would argue that if Carmelo's one punch warrants 15 games, Horry's elbow warrants 5 easily. Stern needs to sleep in the bed he made.

 

I am sorry to see "Big Shoot Bob" become "Cheap Shoot Bob". But Horry's foul is not worser than J Rich foul on Okur or B Diddy's foul on Fisher. It's a flagrant 2 foul, that's it.

Nash has the right to be upset and goes after Horry. But if Raja Bell just goes after Horry by jawing, not starts pushing around, then nothing will have happened.

The Jazz have more poise than the Suns in this kind of incident. * sigh *

My guess:
Diaw, Amare - 1 game
Horry - 2/3 games
Bell - fined

 

It was a hard foul, but that's not something life/career threatening hard foul. It was stupid and was done out of frustration. According to the stupid NBA rules, Amare and Diaw will have to be suspended for one game, and Horry not necessary, as silly as it may sound. I bet Stern wouldn't do that. In that case, the league wouldn't suspend anyone, but maybe continue "close observation and investigation".

Speaking of flagrant fouls, shouldn't be any fouls not attempting to play at the ball, but hard fouls on bodies, count as such ones? The foul on Okur was a hard hit on the arm, NOT on the head, it was similar as those hard fouls during games. Remember, NO layups allowed? Why it all of a sudden became a flagrant 2, when you want to rub others in the face in dying seconds of a sure win? What about the Harpring foul on Yao? He had no chance to play at the ball, he hit Yao's arm hard and pulled him down when Yao attempted a single handed dunk in game 7. Yao hit the floor much harder than Okur did, much harder than Nash did, why nobody argues that's not a flagrant foul? Just because it's on Yao? Just because that jerk has a football family, so they are supposed to go out there hurting people?

NBA rules are most ridiculous ones. When you have rules up for interpretation in all directions as you want, you know they are jokes. As long as the stupid rules reward "initiate contact" or reward "aggressiveness", you know it's screwed. You play with feet in soccer and play with sticks in hockey, but NBA is the dirtiest game, simply because the stupid rules. You might have less fights than hockey, less red cards in soccer, but there is some dirty plays on almost every single possession. That's what NBA has become now. Besides, NBA is the only place who punishes defenders of the goal in a "restricted area". What a joke!

 

Yes, and contributing to and extending a mini-brawl. Amare and Diaw had no impact on anything.

 

if they left the bench when they weren't supposed to, they should be suspended like everybody else. It hurt the Knicks and Heat in 97, but it is the league rules...wouldn't be hypocritical not to suspend them when you have other players leaving bench being suspended for 1 or 2 playoff games or even 5 to 6 season games.

 

This series is a perfect example of the new style of NBA..

all you have to do now is play dirty on the court and Stern will ignore it, but if you get up to defend a teammate you are suspended...

How assbackwards is that? LeBron punches Vince in the balls in front of the Nets bench and the entire Nets bench gets suspended? How is that fair?

You're encouraging players to play dirty and goad other players into fights..

 

Yes they should be suspended because those are the rules...they have to call it and should be consistent. No special treatments.....

 

and the SPURS bench did the smart thing...nobody over reacted and left the bench...Amare was just showing-off...

 

i didnt think horry's foul was a flagrant it was a tough hard screen, had it happened in the middle of the court it would have been a hard foul. nash going into the scorer's table and then a bit of acting made it look worse. what horry did afterwards with bell would warrant a suspension imo.

as for amare there was no way i would believe he was going to go check in. that little time left in the game why would phoenix want him in the game? i am not positive but i do think that he isnt one of their top 5 ft shooters in a game that would become a ft contest. he went to the 'altercation' not to the table. If he was supposed to check in why did he go all the way out inside the spurs 3pt line to go check in. the look on iavaroni and d'antoni's face say it all when they are trying to get diaw and amare back, it was a look of "OMFG WHY ARE YOU HERE??" he was more on the court than diaw was. If they dont suspend both amare and diaw (as well as horry) then the league just adds more credibility to people calling it a joke.

ridiculous how the nba is the only league i can think of where the rules could be bent,broken or changed to suit the needs of the league.

i dont care who wins the series, but suspend the players and then look into a rule change in the offseason.

 

I'm about done with it. It's already #3 on my list of major professional sports and would be #4 if Houston had an NHL team. The only reason it is that low is because of the officiating.

 

What exactly would the Spurs have reacted to? Of course they stayed on the bench. Its not like they are going to go start a fight with Horry for his cheap-shot.

The Suns didn't do anything that would have caused the Spurs to leave the bench. It was a Spurs player that started the entire incident.

 

AMARE IS A PUNK!

You see the way he acts walking around like hes better than everyone else. P.U.N.K. I lose respect for players easily but i lost his a long time ago

 

Let 'em play in Game 5

If Stern follows the rules Duncan and Bowen have to be suspended too, it would even things out for both teams, advantage to the Suns actually.

 

JumpMan,

Great find - rofl @ the Spurs. Yea, I like the Suns chances without Amare and Diaw if the Spurs have to play without Duncan and Bowen. Hopefully, the league does the right thing and just fine people and have no suspensions. The only person who should be suspended is Horry; what he did was weak - trying to instigate a brawl.