1. All Steve wanted was wins. Don't underestimate that dude's heart and will to win, and love for Houston. Sure, he wasn't perfect, but that guy would die on the floor for a win. 2. Cuttino has always been an extremely underrated defender.
THIS. This decision had Les's fingerprints all over it, and yet Morey gets crucified for it. Les had to be convinced not to fire Rick earlier in the year. Morey is smarter than this decision would make him look. Thread should have been locked after this post. Dumb move by a dumb owner.
so you don't give the coach credit for better production... but you do give slap him around for winning one more game. this whole thread has Tron written all over it.
CXbby, Let me get this straight: What you are saying is the winning formula is to have a plan (whether right or wrong) and to be the boss? If you don't agree with the boss (even if you have a plan, too), then you get fired. right? Am I missing something. You called it "Simple" to understand, right? So, name me a GM who doesn't have a plan. What is your big point? Sounds like your only point is to say why it is OK to fire a coach, ... "In Morey I trust" ... Something simple like that. Right? I think the Kings fans stopped saying that about Petrie a few years after they fired Adelman. Like when they stopped attracting blockbuster trades, HOF coaches and blue chip free agents. Ironic, isn't it.
Since when did Sacramento attract blue chip agents and HOF coaches to begin with? IIRC they has and will always be a small market team, I can't remember any superstar who was just dying to go play in Sactown. Regarding Petrie, he's basically in the same boat as Morey in that the previous foundation had crumbled and he had to go searching for a new core. When you're in that situation you need to take some risks, such as getting Demarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans (in our case it was T-Will and Thabeet). he's still one of the better GMs in the league and I'd him over guys like Ferry or Kahn anyday. IIRC, Adelman was fired for the exact same reason he was fired here, bonedheaded coaching decisions which resulted in the team not maximizing its potential.
Pretty much. I don't think anyone sets out to have a "wrong" plan, but sometimes we won't know for 100% certainty whether it was right or wrong until it is all said and done. You do all your work beforehand to make sure to the best of your knowledge and abilities that it is the right plan, and follow through with it. And if your name is Rick Adelman, and you don't agree with the boss' plan, then yes you get fired. That's because it isn't your job to have a plan. That's why you have a boss. Just like most other professions. You are here to coach, and follow the plan. Not make up your own. It is the same as any other job that comes with a boss. So yes I am assuming it is an intuitive concept for most of us in the working class. ...Right. I guess you put it better than me. I could've said it in less words if that is what you are getting at. Again, pretty simple yes. How many championships did they miss out on because they fired Adelman? Since we haven't had much blockbuster trades or blue chip free agents WITH Adelman(isn't that the big criticism on Morey?), I doubt we would be missing out on much when he's gone. If we can get a Tyreke Evans or Demarcus Cousins in a few years we would be a lot closer to a championship than any coach can get us. When guys like Mike Brown are winning 60+ games you know it is a players league. Coaches are overrated.
^ So I do understand you correctly. Whether your plan is right or not, you just need to be the boss. And that is the reason for firing Adelman. It's been done twice in his career now by two Savior Type GMs. "In Petrie I Trust" And you are not really saying Morey has a winning formula. You're just saying why it is ok to fire a HOF coach, just like the previous GM did. That's it.
The only thing PROVEN about Adelman is that he's proven he won't win you a ring unless you have talent in place already. FYI Patterson was benched half a season for absolutely no reason at all. Now that's nurturing Also Scola will already be 31 and is hardly young. Adelman's HOF career was based on two runs: the Blazers run (which got them to the finals) and the Sac run (which again got them to the WCF). The two times he got a mediocre team (the GS team in which he got fired after two years and this Rox team wherein he got fired in four) he didn't deliver. There's no point in keeping him if our team didn't have a core in place.
Are you serious? We just signed Scola to a long term contract? At the beginning of the season we had Jordan Hill, Chuck Hayes, Yao Ming, and Brad Miller ahead of him. And you say it's inexplicable why he wasn't getting playing time? Do you follow the Rockets closely? So you're taking the road of saying Adelman is a ****ty coach. Bye bye credibility. I guess I should thank you for making it clear not to take you seriously.
Sorry, but I don't get this at all. The comment about Lowry is rediculous, with all due respect. Adelman moved up Lowry to the starting spot over the starting point guard, who was out extended time with an injury, not something that ordinarily causes you to lose your starting job. Dragic? You have to be kidding. If Adelman's tenure here has shown us anything, it's that it takes time to learn Adelman's system, and it would take longer for a point guard fresh off the bus. Again, with all due respect, I don't buy it. Terrance Williams? Why did you even bring him up? To what purpose? He looked the fool every time he stepped on the court. Maybe, eventually, he will learn how to play professional basketball. Maybe. Adelman was trying to win games. If anything, he played him too much. And Morey? He worked hard to aquire players who would fit in Adelman's system and largely did a very good job. I don't see this big "disconnect." As Morey himself said, their disagreements were typical Coach/GM disagreements. I think they worked well together. Some deals pissed Adelman off, but far more of them pleased him, in my opinion. I mean, really... are we rewriting history now?
Adelman was fired after "overachieving" on their last playoff run, he basically ran a team lead by Artest and Bonzi Wells against the Spurs. I can't think of any other reason why he would be fired other than that, considering he and Petrie were close friends and the decision to fire him came directly from the Maloof brothers. IIRC KM was getting less than 30 minutes of burn a night despite being one of the most efficient players in the team, Wells was being given free reign to jack up as many shots as he wants and Crash was glued to the bench for being too stupid to learn his system. In a lot of ways that time was parallel to our time now, esp. if we had made the playoffs and faced off against the Spurs as well.
oh, ****. This sounds even more like what the Rockets are doing. It's Les after all -- just like the Maloofs. It's the brilliant owners -- the big bosses -- who are firing Adelman. Not the GMs. Let me see if I can grasp this. The owners want to fire the HOF coach so they start sucking, because landing a Tyreke Evans and letting him ISO is more exciting... doesn't matter that it is doing absolutely nothing to winning. ROY candidates sell tickets and provide hope... Hmmm, I think I get it now.
Yao was injured, Miller is a center and Hill was being played as a center along with Hayes. the PF spot had Scola....and who exactly? Besides how would you know how good a player is if you don't play him at all? None of the guys you mentioned are superstars who should be guaranteed 40 minutes of PT, even Hayes at the beginning of the season had games where he would play like crap. As a coach who would do your due diligence how could you wait half a ****ing season before you see what your lottery pick could give you on the court? What if the Wizards benched John Wall because Nick Young was the established pg, would that make one iota of sense? Same thing here. I'm not sure why you think I'm making this **** up. Look at Adelman's tenure and see for yourself: http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/adelmri01c.html When he had power teams in place like in Sac and Blazers, he got the team to the WCF and the Finals. When had crap teams like the GS team and the Rox, he failed to get results. Adelman isn't some kind of savant coach who wins no matter what kind of team you saddle him with. I'm not sure why I just lost my credibility when all I said is based on facts and figures
Just so I make myself perfectly clear, and that you understand me correctly. When you are the boss. You have to have a plan. The "right" plan. Problem is sometimes in some professions we won't know if it is the real "right" plan until it all plays out. That doesn't mean you abandon it though, because you have already done all the work and spent your resources to determine your course of action. In that case, if you have employees that think they have better plans than you and can run the show and refuse to follow your plan, then yes you fire them. Not everyone can be the boss. This isn't the American dream. It isn't the time or place to explore your inner creativity. It is a multi-million dollar corporation and there is a chain of command. Otherwise there would be no direction and chaos. Now that might make it more black and white than it is in reality. We've seen many signs of Morey/Les compromise and collaborate with Adelman. Like the deals and drafts that got us Bobby Jackson, Bonzi Wells, Artest, Brooks, Budinger, Brad Miller etc. But at the end of the day if the gap in philosophy between management and employee get so large that it hinders productivity, then one has got to go. And management sure as hell aren't firing themselves. Yeah, pretty simple.
CXbby, The big boss is Les. His plan was to keep Yao and TMac together as long as possible. He still sold tickets this season on Yao. That was Les's plan. Do you agree? Or was that Morey's plan. Or was it Adelman's? And was it a good one. Who's plan was it to stop playing TMac? Do you think Les made Coach play Yao 20 mpg as a starter? Do you think there was any disconnect between Les and Morey on any of this Yao and TMac business? What about Les and Coach.
Hill only played center when Miller was out or games where Miller was a bad matchup. How is comparing bottom feeder Wizards #1 pick in the draft John Wall to playoff contending #14 pick Pat...oh jeez...why even bother. You have no credibility because you're basing your criticism on the claim that a coach can only be considered good if he wins championships "no matter what kind of team he is saddled with." You're completely irrational criticism leads me to believe you're trolling...and thus lacking credibility.
Adelman moved Lowry to the starting spot because of injury and injury alone. Lowry held on to the starting spot because he blew the lid off with his play, and Brooks completely lost his mind for the rest of the season. Had Brooks never gotten injured, Lowry would be a career backup under Adelman, instead of the budding star he is now. Some of us saw this coming. Morey saw this coming, which is why he paid Lowry and never intended to bring Brooks back(now that we've found out). Adelman did not see this coming, and saw Brooks as his starter, again, until injury. That is a disconnect between him and management, and more jarring a disconnect between him and reality. I guess we just saw it differently. Re-read what I wrote about him to find out why I bring him up. I have NO PROBLEM with how Adelman handled Terrence Williams. I commend him for it. It is how he handled his "boys" Brooks and Budinger compared to Williams that I question. If his job was to try to win games, which it was, then why did he play Brooks and Bud so much even when they hurt the team? The answer is he thought eventually they would turn around and benefit the team down the road. Well, the same could have been said for Williams, but obviously he was not extended that benefit of the doubt. I see some disconnect but we can agree to disagree. But when your GM's calling card is statistical analysis and your coach "doesn't believe in it", the writing is on the wall. IMO.
