Except that since it was a dark theatre with people panicking and running, and smoke it's also possible more people get hit in the crossfire.
Tragedies like this bring out people's cognitive bias. People into gun control, like Mayor Bloomburg, will find a way to bring that up. People into guns will bring their own old arguments. Ditto for people who want to blame the left, blame the right, media, popular music, a lack of religion in the public sphere or conspiracy theories in general. I think it's all nonsense. Most people who do these things are frustrated middle-class people who lack sane friends and family to help them get through whatever it is that causes them to act out. We'll probably hear stories about his childhood and his failings in life at some point, but the point at which he wandered into psychosis could have been stopped by someone trying to convince him to find a healthier way to act out his anti-social frustrations. For God's sake, the guy dressed up as a villain from a comic book to act out an adolescent fantasy. Maybe he should have tried making comic books instead. Whatever happened to make this guy who he is, his life is beyond repair now. He has nothing to offer society except an apology no one will believe or care about.
A dark place with a lot of people and smoke. I am going guess nothing good would have a come out of that. He also had bullet proof armor. I am guess most people aren't packing a colt 45. I don't know if a 9mm does anything.
Now they are saying he bought a ticket, came in, left through the emergency exit (while propping the door open so it wouldn't lock/close), got loaded up with his arms and vests, and then came back in. Still, there is always the risk it could happen again...no matter how small. The bottom line is they need eyes on these exits at all times...and they need to know who is going in/out to where they can respond immediately if they see suspicious activity. But, that is easier said than done I'm sure. But, if we are talking prevention, then it just remaining the exact same with no new procedures is just asking for it to happen again. It could have been terrorists and it could have been multiples doing it at the same time at theaters across the nation. And, they would have succeeded imo if the prepwork wasn't leaked.
According to police sources, Holmes told the officers arresting him that he was "The Joker," referring to the villain in the second installment of the Batman movie trilogy, "The Dark Knight." He also warned police that he had booby-trapped his apartment, leading officers to evacuate the Aurora apartment building. http://gma.yahoo.com/colorado-batma...d-student-085940589--abc-news-topstories.html I think it was a line from the dark knight: Some men just want to watch the world burn. Really what can you do about them?
I don't know. I would feel a lot safer with TSA style checkpoints in our theatres now. Also no wearing costumes to the theatre either.
Thank God you're not running any law enforcement. ^^ /End of discussion Agreed (with your underlining point) People will hear of a home invasion robbery and assume it's a minority but when someone hints at those people being a slight racist they combat those suspicions with past statistics which (although not 100% accurate) typically justify the hypothetic guess. So anyone getting on anyone elses case because they suspect the killer was white??? lol Come on... I'm white and as soon as I read of the incident I knew the killer was white. Mass shootings is white people crime. Isn't always 100 incidents out of 100, but if you're in Vegas and bet on anything else you're essentially guaranteeing yourself that you're walking away broke. People need to stop being so race-sensitive. Police have released that each gun was unlicensed and illegal Truth. One thing that I imagine will be synonymous with everyone while watching DKR in theaters from here forth is: once the shooting scene starts about 30 minutes into the movie, everyone will be keeping an eye on the exit door.
These men most likely grew up in sexually repressed societies. See: Muslims. America's prudish approach to relationships, unjustified sense of entitlement (we all deserve a Ronny or Tyson Beckford and don't need to settle for love before that) and fear of sexuality is definitely an underlying reason as to why we see so much contentious frustration culminating into death. When a man is being loved, and being made love to, this won't happen. I guarantee it.
I think the more people fear each other and make fun illegal, the more nurturing an environment it creates for people to climb their own proverbial clocktower and act out in anti-social ways.
Man! I'm going to figure he parked close to the door. [Which means he knew exactly which theater it would be in . . .or somewhere abouts] I cannot imagine he propped the door open for more than a moment There had to be some Theater personell inside the theater this is a BIG OPENING. He planned this well . . which sucks I am still not ready to dismiss the idea of an accomplice Rocket River
Taking this to the logical conclusion, the implication is that any place that has/encourages a captive audience should have fairly stringent security protection. That'd be nice, but I can't see how it should be a law. Airports, sure? Sports stadiums - they only do from a profit perspective, don't let anyone in who didn't pay for a ticket. Military bases, of course. Office buildings do at least have security. Federal/state buildings, ok. But there's still a whole plethora of establishments that could fall into this category. Grocery store, churches, schools (even those with security don't have much), outdoor music concerts, etc., etc. I'm not sure how you can watch everything all the time. Increasingly as technology improves it will be more possible. And maybe you could argue given the atmosphere inside a movie theater - dark, hard to see - that it could merit more protection than say a grocery store, where even a smoke bomb wouldn't prevent people from having some better clue of what's going on. I just think this is one of those unfortunate situations. Don't expect to see vigilant monitoring of movie theater exits over the long-term. It's not feasible, economically, imo.
It could be one of those systems that triggers an alarm after the bar has been pressed for 15 seconds. We have them everywhere in the hospital.
Checking back into this thread and story after first hearing about it 12 hours ago, some thoughts: -My condolences for your HS friend, Codman. -Reading the numerous, ridiculous comments by Americans on CNN, YouTube, Reddit, and so on has made me even more anxious about the state of our country in general. One can argue that nothing's changed, that the Internet has made it easier for anyone to see how many crazies there are, but something tells me this a recent phenomenon. There were people who thought this was a staged incident for Obama to pass anti-gun laws; one comment become incendiary because it said the shooter must be a white man; someone claimed Muslim sleeper cells are activating and that he would get his AR ready for revenge, etc. -Events like this make people too emotional, irrational, and blood thirsty. We have one poster being obstinate in bypassing due process and any information the alleged shooter can provide because this shooting made him angrier than Sandusky molesting several children. I have seen reactions like this after OKC, Columbine, 9/11, etc. However, overexposure thanks to our 24/7 infotainment media contributes to serial killers. A friend who works in the entertainment industry relayed an incredible story about how everyone at Warner is going hysterical. The head marketing and PR people at Warner were called in the middle of the night by studio heads regarding the shooting. The most powerful tools in the advertising business are being used to monitor popular blogs and forums like these to gauge any major changes in consumer interests for the movie. Remember the Dark Knight made $150+ million its opening weekend so there is much at stake from a business perspective. I imagine the shooter will be overly thrilled if his acts contributed to scuppering the box office earnings of one of the most anticipated movies in years.
That's true. I can't imagine the chaos inside the movie theater. Whether or not it was fully dark or dimly lit, the crowds of people running, and whether or not there were good lines of sight to the shooter. I assume there was decent line of sight because the shooter was at the rear entrance, usually indicating at the front of theater facing the screen, and that it was stadium seating. But there's still the issue of identifying the gunman with innocents panicking and smoke clouds from tear gas. The body armor would have likely protected him a bit from a 9mm handgun, but it's not full proof and I think the gunman wouldn't be able to target as many innocents if he was being fired back upon. It didn't seem like he wanted to die since he gave up without resistance to the police. Clearly, there are no absolute ways of preventing such a disaster as this. All we can do is speculate. Unfortunately, I don't believe there is a 100% way to prevent something like this from happening again.
You think the gunman was targeting? I figured he was just spraying the crowd. That tightly packed. . . he could have ducked behind seats and fired and got a good number of people. Rocket River
**** like this would never happen occasionally IF the Government step up the the firearms control. Strick laws does not stop guns from being sold illegally. It start by taking away people to sell or own a gun stores across America. But it's almost a little too late. If words get out for all firearms ban they will illegally start hiding it and start selling it illegally.
He probably bought his ticket before hand, so he know which theater it was in. Then followed the door which I do not believe was an Emergency Exit. I believe he just used one of those doors that people exit through when the movie is over but isn't an entrance. Opening this door during the movie doesn't sound an alarm and you probably propped it ever so slightly with a piece of cardboard or so. And even most movie premiers I've been to, I've never seen anyone inside the actual movie screening area and if so, they left after the movie started. Even if there were personel in the theater I don't think they would think much of someone exiting an exit door.
I don't think he would be able to hit as many innocents if shots were being fired back at him, police or civilian.
