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Shocking Development re: CSN Houston...

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Mattj, Sep 27, 2013.

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  1. zksb09

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    I think they will have a conference with the judge to see if any progress has been made in putting something together.
     
  2. Granville

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    What I said is accurate, the least knowledgeable party is lead negotiator now. And my opinion is it won't solve anything.
     
  3. Granville

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    Exactly
     
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    Max or Refman (or someone else) can probably explain better.

     
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    I wish the 13th was an actual deadline for real progress though. Seems like it could progress little by little, and they keep meeting with the judge every few weeks. At least there's 3 national TV games for the Rockets in November
     
  6. MadMax

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    Any mixed drink with DP is one I'll buy! Let's do it! :)
     
  7. MadMax

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    status conference is a check-up for progress. nothing more.
     
  8. MadMax

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    In a bankruptcy that should never have been filed in the first place...in front of a judge that should never have had to waste his time on this crap. They're fortunate it wasn't outright dismissed.
     
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    What do you mean by least knowledgeable?
     
  10. MadMax

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    I'll speak for him .....he means less knowledgeable than Comcast. The party that had a whole effing year to find a deal that could work and was only able to bring one measly ass deal from DirecTV to the table. So we should give them another year and hope they figure it out instead of doing something different. Insert Einstein's definition of insanity here.

    talked to Refman tonight on the phone for a long time. Before this decision was announced he said, "it's fortunate for Comcast that Isgur was appointed...because I can think of some other judges who would have dismissed it before the hearing even started" (paraphrased)
     
  11. Granville

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    With all due respect, that's just spin. You were bent on this getting tossed today This is closest to what the Rockets wanted. The Astros wanted one last ditch negotiation and that's what this is. The Astros have been basically running the show anyway and negotiating on their own too
     
  12. MadMax

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    Yeah..the Rockets wanted desperately for the Court to grill Comcast about collusion and ultimately order that the Astros are the lead dog in negotiations with carriers from this point forward. Exactly.

    If the Astros don't find a deal, where do you think this is headed Granville? You honestly think this judge is gonna order a trustee appointed?

    comcast's BK absolutely blew up in their face. They went from being the party negotiating these deals with a veto in their hand...to a party sitting on the sidelines hoping the Astros can find something to salvage their little network. That's not spin..that's the reality of where we are now.

    Please enlighten me as to what of all that is spin. It's an AGREED ORDER!!!
     
  13. Rumps

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    It's funny how knowledgeable Astros fans are blaming Drayton, fair weathered Astros fans are blaming Crane, Drayton, and Comcast, but a lot of Rockets fans are blaming Astros and Crane specifically.

    Crane was dealt a **** sandwich with this deal and he NEEDS this revenue stream to be maximized so his business model for building the team through 'The Plan' and paying down the debt. His unwillingness to give into Comcast and Drayton's deal is commendable. I'm glad he's trying to find the best possible deal so the Astros can be competitive and sign big free agents for years to come.
     
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    I think that's putting it extremely lightly. Historically bad is more accurate.

    I doubt anyone would be dogging the Astros this much if they were finishing as middle of the road over-achievers or an injury-bitten playoff team like the Rockets of the past decade plus. Heck, the Astros might not even be in this situation if they hadn't become an embarrassment to the city of Houston.

    Your statement above really highlights how you tend to treat the Astros with kids' gloves, but often have no problem nitpicking the Rockets to death. I get that you have a soft spot for the Astros. Obviously, a lot of fans on this website have a bigger connection to the Rockets, which leads to anger towards the Astros. The biases are pretty apparent in both cases.
     
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    Bias' and allegiances aside, Crane and the Astros are not to blame for the Rockets not being on TV.
     
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    This goes to the heart of the issue. Whether the Astros are terrible, bad, good, or great is irrelevant to the CSN-H discussion and what is the right move for any of the parties involved. Just as the Rockets being good doesn't affect negotiations, neither does the Astros being terrible - because these are long-term financial deals that go well beyond today. The fact that their sucking does affect whether you criticize the Astros is the point - that's the bias when discussing this issue - because in actuality, it's completely and totally irrelevant.
     
  17. Granville

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    I never stated that the court was going to appoint a trustee. I said this is closest to what the rockets wanted and it is. Chill out
     
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    How is this what the Rockets wanted? They wanted a week of negotiations with a gun to the Astros' head in the form of media rights being assignable. They got a week of negotiations, but completely on the Astros' terms - which means if the Astros don't get what they want, they most likely walk. That's far more what the Astros wanted than the Rockets. Unless the Judge decides to keep the bankruptcy going in the event of no deal, the Astros essentially have total control of their future at this point, while the Rockets have none.
     
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    I'm curious what changes in the deals or structure of the company that the Astros want. Because it seems like the main issue was the size of the deal, and CSN Houston is not going to get a higher fee from providers at this point.
     
  20. Granville

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    Yeah the Astros wanted to negotiate with Comcast in tow..... The rockets at least have the Judge watching over this mess now which is all they wanted before
     
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