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[Shocker] 50 Years of Tax Cuts for the Rich Failed to Trickle Down

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  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    50 years of Republican tax policy destroyed the country from the inside out, well done boys.


    50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says

    Tax cuts for the wealthy have long drawn support from conservative lawmakers and economists who argue that such measures will "trickle down" and eventually boost jobs and incomes for everyone else. But a new study from the London School of Economics says 50 years of such tax cuts have only helped one group — the rich.

    The new paper, by David Hope of the London School of Economics and Julian Limberg of King's College London, examines 18 developed countries — from Australia to the United States — over a 50-year period from 1965 to 2015. The study compared countries that passed tax cuts in a specific year, such as the U.S. in 1982 when President Ronald Reagan slashed taxes on the wealthy, with those that didn't, and then examined their economic outcomes.

    Per capita gross domestic product and unemployment rates were nearly identical after five years in countries that slashed taxes on the rich and in those that didn't, the study found.

    But the analysis discovered one major change: The incomes of the rich grew much faster in countries where tax rates were lowered. Instead of trickling down to the middle class, tax cuts for the rich may not accomplish much more than help the rich keep more of their riches and exacerbate income inequality, the research indicates.

    "Based on our research, we would argue that the economic rationale for keeping taxes on the rich low is weak," Julian Limberg, a co-author of the study and a lecturer in public policy at King's College London, said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch. "In fact, if we look back into history, the period with the highest taxes on the rich — the postwar period — was also a period with high economic growth and low unemployment."

    Because the analysis ends in 2015, the research doesn't include President Donald Trump's massive tax overhaul, which he signed into law in late 2017 and which slashed taxes for the rich and corporations while providing a moderate cut for the middle class. But Limberg, who co-authored the study with David Hope, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics' International Inequalities Institute, said that he wouldn't expect the results of that tax cut to be much different.

    Already, Mr. Trump's tax cuts have lifted the fortunes of the ultra-rich, according to 2019 research from two prominent economists, Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman of the University of California at Berkeley. For the first time in a century, the 400 richest American families paid lower taxes in 2018 than people in the middle class, the economists found.

    The "careful" new research from the London School Economics "suggests indeed that tax increases on the wealthy should be considered post-COVID," Berkeley's Zucman said in an email to CBS MoneyWatch.

    Engine for stronger economic growth?

    To be sure, the economy was humming along before the pandemic struck the nation in March, with an unemployment rate that was at its lowest in about half a century. Conservative think tanks such as the American Enterprise Institute pointed to Mr. Trump's tax cuts as an engine for stronger economic growth.

    Yet even so, millions of American families struggled to find jobs that paid living wages, while the cost of essentials such as health care, housing and education increased at far faster rates than the typical income. Even before the pandemic, income inequality had reached its highest point in 50 years, according to Census data.

    In 2020, the pandemic has worsened inequities across all spectrums, touching racial, gender and educational divides. When the economy shut down in March, workers who couldn't transition to remote work — typically lower-paid employees involved in retail, service and hospitality jobs — were hit the hardest.

    At the same time, white-collar workers generally fared better as they were more likely to maintain their jobs as they shifted to remote work. Investors also benefited as the stock market rallied on hopes for an economic recovery — a development that doesn't help most low- and middle-class workers. Only about half the U.S. population is invested in the stock market through their retirement and savings accounts, and even then more than 80% of all stocks are owned by the richest 10%.

    Since the pandemic began, the combined wealth of America's 651 billionaires has jumped by more than $1 trillion, reaching $4 trillion in early December, Americans for Tax Fairness said earlier this month.

    Meanwhile, almost 8 million Americans have fallen into poverty since the start of the pandemic through November, according to new data released by the University of Chicago and the University of Notre Dame.

    Rebuilding the economy and household wealth for low- and middle-class families are among the issues facing President-elect Joe Biden after he's inaugurated next month. Raising taxes on the rich and corporations could provide trillions of dollars in resources for helping the economic recovery, Zucman told CBS MoneyWatch.

    "This is not only a viable option, but also a fair option, because some of the wealthiest taxpayers have benefited from the pandemic — for instance large corporations such as Amazon and their shareholders," he noted. "These taxpayers could reasonably be asked to pay more to make up for pandemic losses."
     
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    Only a fool would believe in trickle down economics, but then, you know what they says about a fool and his money..........
     
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    This is basically common knowledge. Everyone knows that the rich stay rich because they own the vast majority of all stocks. The market gains have far outpaced wage gains which is why inequality is so bad. It’s also common knowledge that corporate cash balances and profits have gone crazy while as many jobs as possible have been eliminated, automated, or sent to India and China. This has led to the hollowing out of the middle class as you either have a white collar job or you work retail or restaurant since all the factory, manufacturing, and quickly call center blue collar jobs are nearly gone.

    We need to rebalance as it is just not healthy to have that much money in the hands of so few that do not invest it in job creating ventures. Why should they? There’s not enough demand.

    Solution? Raise taxes and use that money to hire people to rebuild infrastructure. The government is going to have to recreate the middle class. We’ve seen what 50 years of corporate America has done to it.
     
  5. TheRealist137

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    Trickle down is BS. I'm not even sure most white people believe in it anymore. Republican party have decided to straight up start race-based policies in order to protect themselves politically.
     
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    What’s their freedom index?
     
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    The thing is they don't believe in trickle down economics. But they beleive that a tax cut for one (percent) is a tax cut for all. Also they believe raising taxes on people making over 400K is raising taxes on them.

    Also the republicans will give $2 out of $100 in tax cuts will go to middle class. That way they can claim they cut taxes and enough folks will be pacified.
     
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    lol London School of What? Euro-Socialists, no doubt. WSJ and econ 101 as sponsored by the Kochs in their endowed "Think" tanks and University Econ Depts at George Mason are the real stuff.. Maybe Supply Side to be more intellectual about it will succeed i another 50 years. Besides we would not have the internet and iphones without the billionaires. Besides the Bible dictates" The poor ye shall always have"

    Btw I wonder what will be the next pseudo scientific theory hatched in a PR focus groups to con the general public into submission to the .01%. Will it be Tinman and every American a stock market mutli-millonaire? or the next rerun of the hoary Hoaratio Alger story-- perhaps with everyone being a frugal industrious graduate of a coding bootcamp or entrepeneurial program?
     
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    Everybody knows.

     
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    If everyone knows, a lot of voters are selfish af and clinging onto whatever they can claw out
     
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    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Pretty much this. As purchase power goes down for the middle class, the harder they cling and hope to keep those below them down.
     
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    Curious as to whether any of the conservatives, "libertarians" and liberals on social issues only have come forward to still support their long held sincere belief that cutting taxes more and more for the rich leas to more wealth for the lower 99%.
     
  18. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    It is a FAILED philosophy, what we need to do is a better job of explaining to the POOR how Trickle down makes them poorer..

    DD
     
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    Data correlate. And yet, the public still think Rep is better than Dem for the economy, for job and for debt. I smell media bias.

    U.S. economic performance under Democratic and Republican presidents - Wikipedia

    Historically, the United States economy has performed better on average under the administration of Democratic presidents than Republican presidents since World War II. The reasons for this are debated, and the observation applies to economic variables including job creation, GDP growth, and stock market returns. The unemployment rate has fallen on average under Democratic presidents, while it has risen on average under Republican presidents. Budget deficits relative to the size of the economy were lower on average for Democratic presidents.[1][2] Ten of the 11 U.S. recessions between 1953 and 2020 began under Republican presidents.[3]
     
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    The funny thing is your average trumpster has been brainwashed into thinking it’s the Mexican custodian here stealing his right to a better life. The modern day Retrunplicans have created a group of people (that they screw over) to be their most die hard supporters over boogie man issues like lgbt, Muslims, blacks etc .

    the Democratic Party is better but not by much either. It’s no secret that they bow down to the elite corporations as well.
     

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