Propaganda??? Here are summations from a US (American) State Department Study on Human Rights Violations against Non-Jews in Israel. Yes, there are non-Jews in Israel but they are second class citizens BECAUSE of their religion: On March 4th, 2002, the U.S. Department of State released its latest report on human rights practices in Israel and the occupied territories. The report in its entirety is available on the state department's web site. It states that the Government of Israel has made little headway in reducing institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Israel's Arab citizens, who constitute approximately 20 percent of the population but do not share fully the rights provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens. Among the report's specific examples: * Under Israel's Law of Return, automatic citizenship and residence rights are granted to Jewish immigrants and their families, but not to Christians, Muslims or other non-Jews. * The Government provides proportionally greater financial support to institutions in the Jewish sector compared with those in the Muslim, Christian and Druze sectors. . A Ministry of Education special program to provide academic assistance to students from disadvantaged backgrounds is available only to Jewish students. Muslims and Christians do not qualify. The 2002 budget did not contain provisions to equalize spending on Jewish and non-Jewish special education. * The Government has not allocated sufficient resources or taken adequate measures to provide Israeli Christians, Muslims and Druze with the same quality of housing and social services, as well as the same opportunities for government employment, as Jews. * On a per capita basis, the Government spends two-thirds as much for Christians, Muslims and Druze as for Jews. * A ruling by Israel's High Court of Justice found the Government's use of the Jewish National Fund for development of public land to be discriminatory, since the fund's by-laws prohibit the sale or lease of land to non-Jews. * Christians and Muslims are barred from military service. Many employers, including municipalities, advertise "military service" as a prerequisite for job applicants, even for parking lot attendants. * Foreign workers are barred from obtaining permanent residence status unless they are Jewish. * When a group of approximately 1,000 Israeli Jews attacked non-Jewish homes in Nazareth, Israeli police inserted themselves between the two groups and fired live ammunition, rubber bullets and tear gas at the Arab citizens. * During demonstrations and riots in October 2000, Israeli police snipers used live ammunition against unarmed Arab demonstrators, killing 13 non-Jewish citizens of the state.
Yes FD Khan, this is the propaganda that you used to misinform during this debate. Your false assertion that Sharon said "don't worry about America, we control America" is from a Hamas newspaper, which fabricated a radio station in Israel as the source. One major problem in finding truth during any Israeli/Palestinian debate, is that the Arab mainstream press spreads lies purposely. Of course, a culture run by thugs and tyrants will never have a truthful press.
So you're saying that America might change it's policy and start pushing Native Americans off their land? I doubt it. Like I said, being a democracy this is not going to happen. It is more likely that China will do it to Taiwan.
The US isn't "based" on the stealing the land of Native Americans (not indians). It is based on the Constitution. Maybe you should read it.
You know what he means. Government agencies still use Indian on their title, and everyone knows the term Indian. That PC BS is a thin motivation for argument. Our country was taken from the land the Indians lived on. They had no sense of property, and those treaties they signed were usually signed by coercion or with deciet and most likely broken. Over the past 50 years, Indians living in reservations have been promoted to live in cities nearby with promises of careers and homes. The reality turns out to be inadequate welfare classed jobs with project housing similar to ghettos. They don't receive the neccesary education to integrate wholly, yet the policy is for integration. These reservations have been an eyesore for the government, partly because they've come up short with empty promises and half truths. Of course, the public lionizing of the Indian people as brave and noble savages does cover up the squalor they live today. And it doesn't weigh too heavily in the minds of the American people either. You don't want good people to be filled with guilt and grief for living the results our ancestors promoted before and our leaders still propagate today. And now we can show the Casino industry as a source for pride for the redman even though the distribution of wealth is and has always been uneven to the people as a whole. Our Constitution is a rather aged and racist document as well. but you should know since you have read it. We can amend it all we want, yet we still celebrate the framework and the people who created it with intents far different than the Constitution we see today.
This is probably a respectable presentation of the political parties in Israel. <a HREF="http://www.israelvotes.com/demo/platforms.html">Political Parties & Platforms</a>
Maybe I can learn something here. Do Druze, Muslims and Christians Israelis have the same vote as a Jew? I think the answer is yes on voting. However, there are many other instances of discrimination. Maybe you can learn something about the other types of deiscrimination faced by the Druze, Muslims and Christians. Recently the Israeli Superem court had to step in and keep the Israeli government from throwing the traditional Muslim Pary off the presidential election ballot. Of course for more than half of its existence (1967 to present) the stqate of Israel has held about 3 million Palestinians who aren't citizens as captives with less rights than Blacks had in South Africa during Apartheid. ********************************* ********************************* Palestinian Citizens of Israel -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 1 million Palestinians are citizens of Israel, accounting for nearly 20% of the population. As non-Jews in a self-proclaimed Jewish state, they suffer widespread discrimination in all areas of life, despite being the indigenous population of the country. The following reports detail the second-class status of this marginalized community. Adalah, "History of the Palestinians in Israel" "Israel never sought to assimilate or integrate the Palestinian population. The Jewish majority viewed Palestinians inside Israel suspiciously and frequently with hostility -- as part of the Arab world, as a potential fifth column, and oftentimes simply as enemies of the state." Arab Association for Human Rights, "Factsheet: Discrimination in Israeli Law" "The Declaration of Independence in 1948 defined Israel as a Jewish state. The state is the state of the Jews, both those presently resident in the country as well as those resident abroad. Even if the Arabs have equal rights on all other levels, the signal is there: Israel is not their state." Adalah, "The Palestinian Minority in the Israeli Legal System" "Discretionary governmental powers results in significant de facto discrimination between Jewish and Palestinian citizens. On a per capita basis, Arab municipalities receive a fraction of the funding allocated to Jewish development towns and Jewish-only settlements in the Occupied Territories." Arab Association for Human Rights, "Factsheet: Land & Planning Policy in Israel" "Inside Israel, the government has continued to establish new settlements for Jews only. Palestinian Arab citizens are not allowed to move there, even when the settlements are on public land. Meanwhile, illegal building within Arab communities is harshly punished." Human Rights Watch, "Second Class: Discrimination Against Palestinian Arab Children in Israel's Schools," September 2001 "The Israeli government operates two separate school systems, one for Jewish children and one for Palestinian Arab children. Discrimination against Palestinian Arab children colors every aspect of the two systems. The gap in quality is enormous -- on every criterion measured by Israeli authorities." Arab Association for Human Rights, "Factsheet: The Unrecognized Villages" "Over 100 Palestinian Arab villages inside Israel are not officially recognized by the Israeli government. The government prevents their 70,000 residents from repairing existing homes or building new ones, and withholds basic services such as drinking water and health clinics. The villages are not shown on any map." discrimination A recent report from the US State Department was critical of religious discrimination in Israel., too state dept It does show that Israel is making some progress toward ending widespread discrimination.
Yes, I know what he meant. He meant to give a real cheap shot to the United States. I know that it was unjust what happened to the Native Americans. The Constitution has some changes, but it is not far different or racist. But that is an argument for another thread.
You are so blind about this that it's actually quite entertaining. Should Cheney go back to the oil business, he would make the SAME money whether there is war or merely a lifting of sanctions. It doesn't matter. Either way, the result is more oil available for opportunistic dealing. The notion that Cheney would rather risk American lives than lift the sanctions in order to get the oil freed up is a disturbing, base allegation with no real factual support behind it. ...but I guess that's par for the course.
You left out a key part. <a HREF="http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=250341&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0">Court: MKs Tibi, Bishara and far-right activist Marzel can run</a>
After the period when they had the land rushes, whereupon the settlers "grabbed" the NA's land. Right?
The reason I asked about the voting glynch, is because people have repeatesly claimed that Israel is not a democracy. Here is one of the political parties in Israel (thanks for the reference, Mango): United Arab List Campaign Slogans: To be announced Union of three Israeli Arab parties - United Arab Party (Ra'am), Arab National Party (Mada) and Islamic Movement Israel should become a state of all its inhabitants and not have overtly Jewish character Full Israeli withdrawal from West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem Establishment of Palestinian state with Jerusalem as capital Right of return for Palestinian refugees of 1948 Sounds like a democracy to me.
The notion that Cheney would rather risk American lives than lift the sanctions in order to get the oil freed up is a disturbing, base allegation with no real factual support behind it. by Refman. I didn't say that. What the article says is that Cheney's actions are only consistent when viewed in the light of what makes him the most money or what backs his boss, i.e. h e was lobbying to get rid of the sanctions when he was a private oil and gas guy. Now that Bush picked him for vp he is suddenly for a war to replace Sadam and sanctions since he is Bush II's man. Previously he defended numerous times Bush I's decision not to go for regime change. Your statement: would rather risk American lives than lift the sanctions is so inchoherent that I've read it 5 times and don't even know what you mean. Cheney was lobbying against the sanctions per the article.
ummmm...please point me to the racist provisions of the US Constitution. I'll be waiting with great anticipation for your response.
Why don't you respond to my post about civil liberties based on race/religion?? I'll repost it for you ... Quite the democracy!!! Here are summations from a US (American) State Department Study on Human Rights Violations against Non-Jews in Israel. Yes, there are non-Jews in Israel but they are second class citizens BECAUSE of their religion: On March 4th, 2002, the U.S. Department of State released its latest report on human rights practices in Israel and the occupied territories. The report in its entirety is available on the state department's web site. It states that the Government of Israel has made little headway in reducing institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against Israel's Arab citizens, who constitute approximately 20 percent of the population but do not share fully the rights provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens. Among the report's specific examples: * Under Israel's Law of Return, automatic citizenship and residence rights are granted to Jewish immigrants and their families, but not to Christians, Muslims or other non-Jews. * The Government provides proportionally greater financial support to institutions in the Jewish sector compared with those in the Muslim, Christian and Druze sectors. . A Ministry of Education special program to provide academic assistance to students from disadvantaged backgrounds is available only to Jewish students. Muslims and Christians do not qualify. The 2002 budget did not contain provisions to equalize spending on Jewish and non-Jewish special education. * The Government has not allocated sufficient resources or taken adequate measures to provide Israeli Christians, Muslims and Druze with the same quality of housing and social services, as well as the same opportunities for government employment, as Jews. * On a per capita basis, the Government spends two-thirds as much for Christians, Muslims and Druze as for Jews. * A ruling by Israel's High Court of Justice found the Government's use of the Jewish National Fund for development of public land to be discriminatory, since the fund's by-laws prohibit the sale or lease of land to non-Jews. * Christians and Muslims are barred from military service. Many employers, including municipalities, advertise "military service" as a prerequisite for job applicants, even for parking lot attendants. * Foreign workers are barred from obtaining permanent residence status unless they are Jewish. * When a group of approximately 1,000 Israeli Jews attacked non-Jewish homes in Nazareth, Israeli police inserted themselves between the two groups and fired live ammunition, rubber bullets and tear gas at the Arab citizens. * During demonstrations and riots in October 2000, Israeli police snipers used live ammunition against unarmed Arab demonstrators, killing 13 non-Jewish citizens of the state.
It was, I don't think it still is. Why doesn't it surprise me that "conservatives" choose to ignore these parts of history. I mean, I learned that in High School. It was placed in there for so southeners could count blacks as citizens, for electoral college purposes, so they would get misrepresented in Congress. They wanted to treat blacks as animals, yet count them as people so they could keep some power in Congress. Did you just miss this week in American history or did you choose to ignore it?
Article I, Section 2: Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. This was modified by the 14th amendment, Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state
