Shareef wants out...... should the Rocks take a look.....

Portland didn't destroy Kemp's career, he did himself by making bad choices and not staying in shape.

I agree that Portland is full of disgruntled players, but they are trying to get rid of that image. Thats exactly why it would be very difficult to make a deal w/ them.

 

SAR is not overrated. You are on crack if you think that.

 

you must be on heroin to think that Shareef would fit at all on the Rockets and that he's overrated.



you know the blazers are starting Randolf at PF cause he's a better PF than Shareef. Shareef left the Griz cause Pao Gasol is a better PF and Atlanta just dumped him cause they know he can't help them at all.

you pay $14mill/year for a player that can help you win not lose like Shareef.

Where do you rank Shareef among the PF's who make $14mill a/year?

 

Just for tinman and the rest who think Reef is an average player:

Reef
03-04
16.3 PPG 7.3 RPG
Career
20.1 PPG 8.2 RPG

MoT
03-04
11.5 PPG 5.1 RPG
Career
12.7 PPG 5.0 RPG

JHoward
03-04
17.0 PPG 7.0 RPG
Career
17.8 PPG 7.4 RPG

Now, here is a list of the other PF's in the NBA who have a career average of 20 and 8:

KG
Duncan
Malone
CWebb

That is it (although AWalker is very close)

Everyone else on this list has either won any MVP (KG, TD, Malone) or come extremely close (CWebb).

Calling a PF in this category a slight improvement over any of the current PF's on the roster is an insult to Shareef.

If you don't like him, that's ok...if you don't like his contract, I understand...but don't just make up statements like "he's a more expensive Juwan Howard" to justify why you don't want SAR on the Rockets.

He is clearly more than that.

 

Average? No. He's BELOW average. I wouldn't start him over Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Jermaine O'neal, Amare Stoudamire, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber, Kenyon Martin, Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, Antoine Walker, Antawn Jamison, Kenny Thomas, Zach Randolph, Kurt Thomas, IMO he already doesn't start on more than HALF the teams in the NBA. Then you could make an argument that he shouldn't start over Juwon Howard, Clifford Robinson, Antonio Daniels, or even Emeka Okafur. That right there is 16 teams he for SURE won't start for and at least 4 that he probably won't start for, that to me is BELOW average. And he's making 14 million next season, keep him away from the Rockets at all costs!

 

Here you go:

<i>Trail Blazers forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim, despondent over the Blazers' rejection of a trade that could have sent him to the New Jersey Nets, told The Oregonian on Monday that he wants a meeting with Blazers management to emphasize that he will not report to training camp unless he is traded

"I hope it doesn't come to (a holdout), but if it does, it does," Abdur-Rahim said. "I don't want that to happen; it's not me and I don't think it's indicative of who I am. But at the same time, when I left Portland after the season, I was put under the impression of one thing (being traded), and now it has changed."

</i>

http://www.oregonlive.com/search/index.ssf?/base/sports/1090929624125660.xml?oregonian?spkb

 

yes this is exactly what we need another over paid PF who cant bang with the big boys in the west and cant play the SF spot

 

Dude,

I can't believe you found a guy who played on worse teams than Juwan Howard.

My justification is that :
a. his own team won't start him at PF
b. he makes 14million a year and his name is not Duncan/Garnett
c. he wants the ball cause he thinks he's an elite player
e. If you think Juwan Howard is a Finesse player, Shareef is Vidal Sassoon.

 

20 and 8 for his career.

I don't care how crappy of a team you play on... to average 20 and 8 for your career against all of the other "elite" PF who are better than SAR (in your opinion) is pretty amazing.

 

Please stop looking just at stats, they don't mean everything. 20 & 8 are very decent numbers, not amazing. Having 0 winning seasons in your first 7 seasons is amazing.

Yes, SAR has been sent to losing situations throughout his career and has never had much help. But he has always gotten his numbers while always losing, and has been quite content with that. He finally lands on a team who is winning and has a chance to be pretty good, and he wants out. I use to really like SAR and his game, but he just doesn't seem he's committed to winning, not like he knows how that feels (that was cold blooded).

 

Decent numbers?! Decent numbers?!
That is crazy that you can only say that 20 and 8 are decent. Three maybe four other guys in the association average that. He has averaged that in his career... and that was with lower numbers last year in Portland.

Yes... we can say he is a baby for not wanting to stay in Portland. But we can say the same about TMac, Stevie, Shaq, Carter, Malone, Glove... the list goes on.

Anyway... one man on a team is not responsible for the team winning. It is the whole team. Jordan had losing seasons, Dream had losing season, Shaq and TMac had losing season.

It is about the team.

And there is no way I would turn down someone who is young, tough and who has averaged 20 and 8 for his career.

 

Dude,

Who is your stats person? Ray Charles?
I cant believe you are comparing SHAREEF to ELITE PLAYERS?

Ok Dream had 1 losing season. I think he was hurt most of that season and it was at the end of his career. (losing season= less than .500%)

Jordan was hurt most of 85, no wizards stats.

TMac's only losing season in Orlando(last year).

DREAM
2000-01 45 37 .549
1999-00 34 48 .415
1998-99 31 19 .620
1997-98 41 41 .500
1996-97 57 25 .695
1995-96 48 34 .585
1994-95 47 35 .573
1993-94 58 24 .707
1992-93 55 27 .671
1991-92 42 40 .512
1990-91 52 30 .634
1989-90 41 41 .500
1988-89 45 37 .549
1987-88 46 36 .561
1986-87 42 40 .512
1985-86 51 31 .622
1984-85 48 34 .585

SHAQ
(NO LOSING SEASONS)
1995-96 60 22 .732
1994-95 57 25 .695
1993-94 50 32 .610
1992-93 41 41 .500
2001-02 58 24 .707
2000-01 56 26 .683
1999-00 67 15 .817
1998-99 31 19 .620
1997-98 61 21 .744
1996-97 56 26 .683

JORDAN (was hurt most of 85)(bulls stats)
1997-98 62 20 .756
1996-97 69 13 .841
1995-96 72 10 .878
1994-95 47 35 .573
1992-93 57 25 .695
1991-92 67 15 .817
1990-91 61 21 .744
1989-90 55 27 .671
1988-89 47 35 .573
1987-88 50 32 .610
1986-87 40 42 .488
1985-86 30 52 .366
1984-85 38 44 .463

MCGRADY
2003-04 21 61 .256
2002-03 42 40 .512
2001-02 44 38 .537
2000-01 43 39 .524
1999-00 41 41 .500

 

Shareef DIDN'T average 20pts last year.
After being traded to a team with some decent players (PORTLAND) his average dropped to 10pts a game.

His overall PTs AVG is 16.3 for last season.

03-04 ATL 53 53 36.9 .485 .217 .880 2.70 6.70 9.30 2.4 .83 .36 2.47 2.80 20.1

03-04 POR 32 3 22.8 .447 .364 .832 1.50 3.00 4.50 1.5 .75 .56 1.66 2.30 10.0

Total AVG
03-04 -- 85 56 31.6 .475 .265 .869 2.20 5.30 7.50 2.0 .80 .44 2.16 2.60 16.3

Dude who are you???
Is that you ISIAH THOMAS??? What are you doing on our board??
Are you mad that we traded you MOOCHIE??
I know you think JAMAL CRAWFORD is second coming of MJ, but come on, SHAREEF???

 

Not a SAR fan myself. But IIRC, Portland did up their winning percentage AFTER they acquired SAR, didn't they? I remember I was thinking to myself, "Hey, after all, maybe he's not the loser as advertised."

Anyway, I've always said that it's not fair to pin the win-lose records on one player, whether positively or negatively. Some "losers" start winning when they get to the right team. Some "winners" start losing when they get to the wrong team.

That said, I agree that SAR doesn't fit our needs. I'll pass.

 

Shareef is a rare natural basetball player, like Tmac in some way. He didn't work his foundamentals up as Duncan did, or physically as gifted as KG is, but he is a gifted offensive player with some amazing natural basketball instinct. If you have followed him through his career, you would be amazed by the effortlessness he displayed when making his moves around basket. I wonder how many of you here actually have watched him playing for more than a season.

That being said, I don't think he is the kind of player suitable for JVG style. Heck, I don't even feel Tmac will fit JVG ball.

 

Easy,
the most amazing thing is this dude was comparing SAR to Dream, MJ, TMAC, and Jordan..

That's like comparing Vanilla Ice

to

NWA

 

I think people are forgetting that he is a good PF who can start for many teams. And in Portland, he will be forced to start at SF and back up at PF. This is clearly horrible situation for him and any other players. If Yao has to start at PF and back up at C because Shaq is on the same team, wouldn't he want out too? As Yao cannot be effective at PF, Shareef cannot be effective at SF. And he's worthy of more than 30 min. he will play in Portland. Maybe, his way of asking for a trade is wrong and he's not fit for Rockets but you can't blame him for wanting out and it doesn't make him a whiner. He has a good reason to ask for a trade.

 

Shareef reminds me of MC Ren, when NWA broke up, we all knew they all were good, but only Easy, Dre, and Cube became Stars.

 

Portland upped their winning percentage primarily because Ratliff was a tremendous defensive presence in the post, not because of Rahim's 20 footers. All the same, if Van Gundy could get the guy to bang, he might be interesting. Before we would ever trade for him though, he'd have to make a commitment to D it up, bang the glass, and be satisified with being the 3rd of 4th option.