Shareef wants out...... should the Rocks take a look.....

The voice of reason...

 

Shareef is going to make 14mill next year,
Whoever signed him to that balooned salary must 'jump' 'man'.

Shareef has Golden State Warriors written all over him.

The Rockets need WINNERS and Role players.

Not OVERRATED PLAYERS with FAT CONTRACTS

I dont even Isiah Thomas would be dumb enough to trade for him.

Jump,
you realize that Shareef thinks he's a PRIMARY PLAYER, meaning he deserves all these touches, he would not like being the 3rd option. This is SCOTTIE PIPPEN all over again, except PIPPEN IS BETTER.

 

Finally you have some good post. :Thumb up:

 

I don't think the rockets should even bother. Our PF situation isn't great, but it's not too bad either. There are more important holes to address before we think about improving that area.

Shareef has a max contract (70.8 million over 6 years). It expires after next season, but there's no way we'll be able to offer him a max extension if we plan on keeping Yao in 2006. He'll most likely walk after next season.

He's basically a one-year rental. Unless we plan on winning it all in 04-05, trading for him now will screw us in the future.

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/1090929624125660.xml

The crux of the dispute is that Abdur-Rahim, 27, thinks he is still in his prime and should play extensive minutes at his natural, power forward position. Blazers officials indicate he is not better than Randolph, a blossoming power forward who won the NBA's Most Improved Player Award, and thus should be his backup.

The Blazers' solution is to play Abdur-Rahim for about 24 minutes a game at small forward, and 12 minutes at power forward when Randolph rests. Abdur-Rahim's solution is that he should be traded to a team where he can start at power forward.



Oh Shareef dont like it..

Nash would not comment on whether the Nets proposed that trade, and he said he is not concerned with Abdur-Rahim's threat to hold out of training camp in October if he is not traded, saying that he will be fined accordingly, with the amount increasing each day.

Abdur-Rahim, who is set to make $14.6 million next season, said he is prepared to absorb as many fines as it takes.



Why do you want a player who's always
CLASH-ing with management and teammates?

 

I agreed with you! Shareef is a bum, a ZERO impact clown, no need to bring him...

 

Yes he is quicker than Howard, but his contract is fatter than Oliver Miller and Kirsti Alley.

Kevin and Duncan would love this guy on our team... So they can dunk on him

 

The reason I would go for him is to clear 15 M in cap space next season not to offer him a max extension. If we can sigh him to close to MLE ala Juwan Howard then that would be a fair deal. If not we can move on and have 15 M in the kitty to work with.

 

Abdur-Rahim, however, said he can't handle another season of swallowing his pride and watching from the bench. He said his career averages (20.1 points, 8.2 rebounds) are too stellar, and his age (27) young enough to be a pawn in the Blazers' money-saving scheme.

"Don't put me back in the same position as last season. I did it for half the season last year because it wasn't the time to discuss it," Abdur-Rahim said. "I'm not trying to be a distraction, but you can't tell me I'm going to start at the three when you have another kid here who has proven himself.


You think this dude would want less money after reading the article?

You must be the dude who still has Ricky Williams #1 in your draft.

 

What if we work something out to help them buy him out?

Maybe we can involve the Celtics? Send them MoT for Mihm and Yogi Stewart, then send Mihm/Yogi/Spoon/AG/TE for SAR and Patterson? They get the same cap relief:

Mihm and Yogi are almost 8M, while the Patetrson-TE swap gives them an additional 5M. That's 13M, just 1M less than they were expecting.

Lots of depth, which they've been looking for:

Ratliff/Mihm/Yogi
Randolph/Spoon/Mihm
Miles/Woods/DA
DA/Hasell/NVE
Stoudamire/NVE

Would this work with the TE? I've actually proposed the Celtics part of the deal to Celtic fans on the RealGM Celtics board, and most of them were FOR it.

Yao/still no one
SAR/Howard
JJ/Boki/Patterson
T-Mac/Pike
Lue

Problem with this? We'll have used up most of the TE and we still wouldn't have a backup PG or C. However, we've effectively dropped Mo's salary, so we may be more willing to offer the MLE to FA's such as Mike James or Damon Jones.

 

Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!!

Maurice Taylor and Clarence Weatherspoon for Shareef works $$ wise. I would have no problem giving Shareef the starting PF job and having Howard back up 4 and 5.

Would we have to add something like picks or more players to make that work value wise for Portland? Maybe. But maybe not if his value keeps going down.

 

Buckeye,

You must have Terrell Davis as your #2 back..

 

Yeah. SAR isn't really a perfect fit, esp. as he will want his shots.
But the expiring contract is really attractive.

I don't think you can dump BOTH Taylor and Spoon . Nice try,though. Spoon is basically a piggy bank for Yao's extension, anyway.

SAR would start at the 4 and Howard would back up both 4 and 5.
He'd get a good chance to be a winner, and earn a contract.

There's been a few ideas in here, and there are other ways to get Portland something. Kittles + Williams + pick isn't too much to have to top, if that's the bidding; and now SAR is bringing the pressure.

If we give Portland the TE, we could take back Vladimir Stepania and Patterson. We don't want Patterson, of course, but you pay a price for these things. We could then give Portland Mo T and Pike or whatever for SAR. They get some relief, and replace assets. We could possibly 3 way the deal with NJ and have NJ end up with Taylor and Pike and Portland end up with Kittles and Williams.

Yao/Howard/Vlad
SAR/Howard/Spoon
JJ/Boki/Patterson
Tmac/JJ/AG
Mike JamesorDamonJones/Lue/Wilks

We can still add some minimum players like Tmo and Scales or whatever to ride the IR with Wilks.

It's worth looking at.

codicil : you know, if SAR were willing to play 3 sometimes, we could go big with Yao,Howard,SAR,Tmac,JJ. JJ wouldn't have to go very far past the mid court stripe to dump it off, and we'd have a good scoring option.

Total Rox payroll is escalating only by the amount of the TE and MCE, which is what we expected if we had stayed put with the current cast, anyway. We have the chance to re-sign SAR for less at the end.

Who else can help Portland get rid of bad contracts, reduce overall payroll, replace the asset? Not many teams. Maybe New York, with Othella and Nazi, as usual. They have a rookie power forward, though. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

 

We took their trash for Pippen, turnabout is fair play.

 

Speaking of "good stats on bad teams" and/or "not proven winners", I have afew other names that fit that bill:

1. Tracy McGrady
2. Yao Ming
3. Mo Taylor
4. Juwan Howard
5. Jim Jackson

Look, only three teams have won the title after Jordan. We can wait for proven winners all we want, but I think we have to give a chance to talent who wants to prove themselves as a winner. In fact we are doing exactly that with Yao and T-Mac, why can't we do it w. SAR as well.

Talent wins in this league, sooner or later. Shaq got swept from the playoffs 4 yeasr in a row. Kobe was throwing airballs in clutch moments a few yeasr ago. Eventually they became winners. There's no guarantee that Reef will become one, but there's no guarantee about T-Mac or Yao neither...

 

Clearing out MoT and any other trash in exchange for Shareef's expiring $14M is a phenomenal fleecing for the Rockets. If that deal is available, CD needs to get on the phone right now.

I can't believe anyone would object to this deal, if for no other reason than the financial flexibility we could have after this year. Trimming almost $15M from our team after only one year would allow us to completely remold this team next year...we could have our pick of PG's to pair with Yao/Tmac.

Look how the same strategy has worked for the Spurs...although they didn't get any big-name additions, the flexibility they had under the cap allowed them to retain key FA's (Manu, Bowen) while adding solid pieces every year (Rasha, Barry, Horry).

Denver and Utah did the same thing...now they have Kmart/AMiller and Boozer/Arroyo to show for it.

Do we see a pattern? Getting as far under the cap as possible should be the Rockets #1 priority now that this year's market has dried up...the Tmac deal has removed the pressure to WIN NOW by transforming a stagnant, maximized team into a dynamic team full of FUTURE potential.

As far as talent alone, I still don't see it as that bad a deal. If we moved MoT and Spoon for Shareef, that is about equal. Mo can't play center, and neither can Spoon. Reef is definitely better than either individually at PF, but his real value to the Rockets is the flexibility he provides...bringing Howard off the bench as Yao's backup makes our frontcourt depth much better, since he can play C as the first big man off the bench...Mo could not.

And with MoT and Howard, Spoon isn't going to get off the bench anyway.

Do the deal (if it's available)

 

I'm sure he's a nice guy and everything, but it doesn't sound like he'd be willing to accept a role as the 3rd guy on this team. SAR has averaged 15.44 shots per game for his career. He would almost be guaranteed to get only half of that here.

 

Shareef= Mo Taylor. We don't need him, we already have him.

 

Every single one of the players on your list have made the playoffs, unlike SAR.

Yao made the playoffs once in his 2 seasons.

McGrady carried his team singlehandedly to the playoffs twice. Juwan Howard was on his team, and I'm pretty sure JH has made it with the MAVS as well.

MoT made it with us last season, and JJ has made it many times before.

SAR has yet to break a 32-win barrier per 82 games with a single team I believe. Meaning, he's lost like hell, except last season, where the team had already won around 30 when he joined them. Still, they didn't make the playoffs.

Regardless, I'd like to have him. His slow-it-down style fits perfectly with the Rockets, and his contract would bring tons of flexibility in the near future.

 

Thats a good one.