Shareef Abdur-Rahim for Mobley and Griffin - Would You Do It?

Addition by subtraction only works with cancers. Players need more negatives than positives for you to improve simply by getting rid of them. Pippen when he left Houston, Vin Baker and Mad Max in Seattle, etc. I don't think Mobley comes close to this definition. Unless you think we are in the running to win it all this season, I don't see any reason to make anymore trades. Let's see what this team can do when Steve and Mobes are entering their primes and Ming and Griffin get a bit more experience.

 

oh no, not another soft player. Abdur-Rahim and pau gasol are finesse players that they are not going to help the rockets go anywhere.

 

I think it's telling that you didn't respond to the comment about his defense.

 

Yea,...I gotta agree with the majority on this. SAR is an interesting player, but he does have lacking issues such as defense...with Griffin, we'd be giving up defense, potential and most importantly my last namesake

Mobley is Mobley. we are all made of stars...

 

I wouldn't do it. I'm just not sold on Abdur-Rahim. I know he's a good player and everything, but I just don't think the Rockets should bind themselves by taking on another huge contract. I really don't think it's reached that point of desperation where they absolutely HAVE to make a trade.

 

Mobley, Cato, Ming, Griffin, T-Mo, Posey, and Rice (yes, Rice) are all better defenders that Reef.


The guy is not decent. He's a horrible horrible horrible defensive player. Worse than Steve Francis maybe.

 

Where have YOU been?

T-Mo's only problems are his 3-pt shot and his handles.

We're talking about D, and out of all those guys I mentioned, you're best shot back was:

T-Mo, ugh. He only plays defense.

is it becoming clear why we dont' want Reef? Because

Reef, ugh. He only plays offense. But for $12M.

 

Damn right I would. With Abdur-Rahim, this team would have 3 legitimate weapons. Mobley and Francis are redundant and Griffin has been disappointing (yeah, yeah, he's young.. blah blah blah.. he still blows) so I'd do this trade in a second.

 

Griffin is a HORRIBLE defensive player right now. Just because he can get a weakside block doesn't make him good. Griffin consentley gets overmatched against any PF with an aggresive low post game. Griffin has potential to be a great defender but right now Mo Taylor is better than he is.

 

At least Griffin tries to play defense and blocks shot. SAR doesn't even bother. He doesn't c are about defense. And he's on a max contract. Revolting.

MannyRamirez:

You forget that not all of are sold on Mike Bibby. Good players? Yes. So is SAR. But when you've got Peja, Webber, Vlade, Turkoglu, Christie, and assorted other useful players... it's easy to be a good PG.

To me, Bibby's a decent distributor who can score a little. No more. SAR's a talented scoring tweener who neither plays defence nor makes his teammates better. Yipee. He's just not worth that much, especially with his hideous salary.

 

That's exactly the point. As bad as Griffin's defense is, Rahim's is still much worse, and he has little potential for improvement.

 

I'd like to see some proof that Abdur-Rahim is as bad a defender as you people say. Do you have stats to show that his opponents routinely score more than their career averages when playing against him?

 

all you got to do is look at the current team and the team he used to play for. the grizzlies and the hawks are two of the worst defensive teams in the history of nba.

another reason is the rockets shouldn't acquire him is because he turns the ball over about 3 times a game while eddie griffin has only 1 a game.

 

That isn't good enough. Show me the numbers I asked for above.

Shareef is the main option on his team. Griffin is, at best, the 4th or 5th option on the Rockets. Shareef handles the ball way, way more often than Griffin. That's the only reason why he commits more turnovers.

 

Heck NO!

 

It always amazes me when people comment on players who they have never seen play. I remember mentioning Bibby before he was traded and many posters was talking about how bad he was and he wasn't as explosive as Steve and all this. He goes to a team with talent and a coach who understands and now people look at him different. These same people didn't realize that he was 18pts 8 asst on that Grizz team. Fast Forward to SAR. The guy is as consistent as they come at the 4 spot.He rebounds,scores in a variety of ways ,plays hard and is 25yrs old. Sure the teams he has been on haven't been winners, but is that just his fault? Did anyone tell Stu Jackson to draft Francis when they had Rip Hamilton,Odom, or other dynamic players still on the board? Did anyone tell Jackson to draft Stromile Swift ? The thing is, I'm sure Francis led Rockets overrall record is under .500 also. If he's the Franchise, why can't we even smell the playoffs?

Anyone who read my thread about SAR know what I think about him. He may not be a top 5 power forward in the league, but he's top 10 and only 25. Our power forwards are so inconsistent that its funny. One guy is scared and doesn't know if he's Garnett one minute or Horry the next. The other player rebounds about as good as my mama. If we were to offer to make it work would be Taylor,Griffin, and Cat for SAR. That seems like a lot, but when you look at what you're getting, its not that much. Seeing him and Ming work a high/low game along with 2 guys who can defend and not need the ball much in Posey and Morris would really set this team to be real good real fast and for a longer period of time.As far as depth, Cato could backup Ming and SAR and if need be, there are guys around who can be backups. Cat, is nothing special other than being Francis good buddy, Taylor is still living off the p word and Griffin at best will be Donyell Marshall. Whats so special about that?

 

Ourch!!! There <b>were</b> some 20 YO kids playing in that Rookie-Sophomore game on Saturday, right?

Enough excuses for Griffin. You might be right. Of course, Marshall is a nice player.... but not worth 3 #1 draft choices.