We're only seeing one side of the equation though. We can only guess how our team would be if we had Roy. Some people (like me) think we'd be pretty good if not better if we had him. That is why the poll is so close.
Link? If Roy is a good man, he has nothing to worry about when it comes to JVG and his heralded dog house. Who cares if Roy gets ROY if he was on our team? It's all about would our team be better or not. As far as the results, if we don't win it all this year, it's suddenly all JVG's fault now? It's more of a personnel problem. We still lack a true 3rd scorer, which forces a player like Alston to do more than his standard role and take more shots. We have no veteran PG to help out Rafer. PF is still a weakness on both ends of the floor. Our off-season did not really help us besides the acquisition of Battier. The other players we got (Snyder, Lucas, Bonzi, V-Span, Padgett, Novak) did not contribute much if any.
For those who think NOT having Battier would mean Wells would play more? Who are you kidding? Wells was hurt in the being, was fat, not ready and when he played, he was rusty, and general not that good. So no, Wells is not in the equation here. It's losing Head and Battier (that was the trade, 8th and head for 6th - Roy). Keeping Swift is a big negative in my opinion as you would have a jumping low B-ball IQ guy out that to make a dunk a game. They you wouldn't have played Hayes and he helps out Yao a lot more than Swift. Beside, this was not going to happen because Portlan out witted CD and stole Roy, simple as that. I think plan B is turning out pretty good myself.
I am thinking Roy can not be this good with a coach like JVG. If i were a rookie with potential, i would never like JVG.
Not having Battier would mean Wells playing a LOT more. he did come in training camp out of shape but eventually he got on the court. The reason there was no rush was because we were doing good and Battier was our SF. Without Battier, Bonzi would've been our SF and our third scorer.
Talent-wise, I'd say they're even, except that they have different specializations. I'd still take Battier, however, since we have Spanoulis (geez, ya'll forgotten about him?).
I think Roy will become a 21-22 pt scorer at his peak, this guy does not play like a rookie, he is a veteran on the court.
show me the facts hah you cant we have been over this in this forum time and time again, and NO ONE has ever came up with real facts...what you just stated is an opinion nothing more
I voted Roy at first but now i regret doing so. I was only thinking about points, ROY, and the future. Battier is young also... he is 26-27? the only reason roy gets 7 more points is because THEIR TEAM SUX BALLS. He is the 2nd option behind randolph and for a while now he has been the first option so he has been able to boost his stats even more. If he was on our team he wouldn't even be ROY and would probably average around 13 points which is only 2 more than Battier. Im willing to take Battier's defense, superior 3 point shooting, and intangibles over a measly 2 points. Some of ya'll fans have to remember points aren't everything cough Rockets64 cough.
Please, listen to JVG on SportsRadio 610 and then tell us why Bonzi did not play much even after he recovered from the groin injury. Don't listen to me, listen to JVG. I'm just regurgitating what JVG said in his interview. Again, we wanted to get Roy at 8 straight up. A trade wouldn't be necessary because we would actually select him at 8th. Unfortunately, it didn't happen, so we went with plan B. Plan B is working out pretty well, but I'd still rather go with plan A if the opportunity was there. So did the Rockets' organization. Like I said earlier, if Swift sucks again, we can get rid of him. It's pretty simple. Portland outwitted CD because they took Roy? Huh? WTF are you talking about? There was no "outwitting". They got to pick before us, so that's why they got him.
JVG has complimented Roy many times recently. I don't understand why JVG wouldn't play a player with his skill set. I don't know how good his defense is, but he's a big 2 guard with speed and athleticism. Y'all are just fabricating this BS that JVG wouldn't play him just because he's a rookie. You make me laugh.
#1 guards Dirk in the playoffs, just like he did 2 years ago. The playoff version of T-Mac is a better defender than Battier anyway.
A glue guy like Battier does help us win now over a potential future like Rudy Gay. But every basketball scout would tell you that of all the players that were drafted last year, Brandon Roy is the most NBA-ready of all of them. Kenny Smith even said that when they were debating ROY on Inside the NBA. Roy would've helped us NOW and LATER. That's why he was Plan A.
Forget about numbers, forget about ROY. Brandon Roy is already a flat out great NBA talent. He's ready to help teams win NOW. Not just for the future. He would've made an immediate impact on the Rockets as the 4th scorer (Bonzi as the 3rd scorer). A great NBA legend once told me that to win games, you must score more points than the other team. I think it was Clyde Drexler.
I really do not understand why this is so close. My biggest argument in favor of Shane is just to look at Memphis. I know Pau Gasol was out and after a while they probably decided to tank intentionally to have a good lottery pick. But they were a playoff team and now they are out. We were not a playoff team and now we are in. You can say it was the injuries, but I would say it has 50% to do with injuries and 50% to do with Shane. Every coach in the NBA would take Shane over Roy. Brandon Roy will never make Team USA.
No problem was Boston had 7th pick but Ainge being stupid, traded that pick + LaFrenz for Telfair + Ratliff (very easily can go down as worst trade in history I am not joking). Then Portland used 7th to get Foye and trade him to Minn for Roy. Rockets were gonna give Head + Foye for Roy it was already decided and Boston was planning on taking Rudy Gay, but it just didn't work out. I would take Roy in terms of that, but in terms of what really wouldve happened: Battier + Head OR Roy + Stro, you have to love the no trade. Head is a great role player and so is Battier, perfect fit for a 2 superstar system. If we have Stro he isn't even good enough to backup JHo, and I won't trust JHo starting all year and then we have NO ONE to guard the best player. (Um 19-44 Kobe's Shooting, he wouldve been 30-44 if we had anyone else on him). + TMac gets rest on D end cuz of Battier. Battier's shot is off cuz he has to work so freaking hard on the Defensive end, If you play Basketball you know if you play really hard D it hurts your shot, because your legs wont be as well rested. Either way wouldve been OK, BUT I prefer the no trade when Head is thrown into deal, thats really not a good deal for us.
Man NO QUESTION Roy is a talent and he is gonna be as good as AI in future (IMO, except he will actually manage to help his team win alot I believe). But Battier fits THIS TEAM. I can't say he would fit all teams, but he flat out fits this team and he is a Flat out WINNER. Duke, Grizz, Rockets. He always helps his team win.
