Also forgot to add: The fact that Brown could or could not be lying is not even a big deal. Teammates would not feel the need to rat him out if he's lying, because what's the big deal if he is lying?
A great thread of exposing marketing guru's out there. Dont want to use barbells. Great! WE got you covered, use bands to ....... http://www.theverticalsummit.com/viewtopic.php?t=4687
Want cardio? I got you boy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNyFwegMDo&feature=related DD is on it. (cheap shot I know)
" Over the course of a year, it's rare for most people to add more than 25 pounds of muscle, although it's certainly not unrealistic to gain more than 25 pounds in weight......" http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/blog/muscle-gain-in-a-year "On the Supertraining forum, Anthony Pitruzzello, PhD, came up with a potential achievable range of approximately 1.5 to 5 pounds of additional lean muscle per month, after researching scientific studies....Overall, 15 to 25 pounds per year could be a good estimate." http://weighttraining.about.com/od/succeedingwithweights/a/muscle_month.htm that's just the first stuff i found, but i'm sure there's a lot more out there. That's pretty close to what i've read and heard before, which is anywhere from 15-25 pounds is reasonable depending on the individual's genetics. I may not be an "expert", but i've got enough formal education to be a personal trainer, including a 4 yr degree. I'm not sure where you got 10 lbs from, but that's not true. It's on the low end of the spectrum, but definitely not the max.
and about adding 10 lbs over a summer...again, assuming the summer is almost 3 months, 10 lbs of muscle gain is possible, especially for some of these nba guys who never really lifted. That would mean they are amateurs/beginners, and that's usually when you can have big gains with lifting. So a player new to lifting could gaine 10 pounds over the summer, BUT he's not likely to keep up that pace for the year because that would equal 40 lbs total. He'd have a big gains at first as his body adapts to such a big change, but the months following that he's likely to have less significant gains.
Wow, you are too much. In another thread you claimed that Battier was muscular. Now you're looking for anything to justify the fact that he isn't. RV6, you and your antics are priceless. Also, why is that you always have the most posts in a Battier thread?
Herschel Walker "Walker is also intriguing for being one of the few pro football players to become successful without the use of free weight training. Rather than a heavy weight room regimen, Walker used bodyweight exercise, calisthenics, and conditioning. He remains to this day an oddity in the pro football world. He has been said to do hundreds of pushups and situps daily, rather than lift weights, while maintaining extremely low body fat."
1. why is it you only look inside battier threads? 2. I want you to find the exact quote where i posted he was "muscular". It's a different context. Here the poster was refering to shane's chest. As far as i know, it is possible to work out some muscles and not others, so is it possible for his arms to be muscular and not his chest? DUH. 3. Please tell me where i am "looking for anything" to justify it? All i said was dont be surprised if a lot of other nba players look the same. I'm not making any excuses for battier by saying that. I was just making conversation incase the poster didn't realize it. Go ask around, ask the players themselves if lifting is popular at all in basketball and they'll tell you its not. It's more popular than ever before, but still not that common unless it's instructed by teams, and even then some players refuse to. How that is an antic on my part i have no idea. If anyone is "looking for anything" it's you, and it's shane battier threads.
and i guess i'll save myself some time and answer this before you ask, why would they work out some muscles and not others? In basketball "pushing movements" are not that necessary. Unless you're a big man fighting for position, push muscles aren't going to significantly help you in basketball, especially playing in the perimeter. Triceps, pecs, those are muscles involved in pushing motion. Perimeter guys are more likely to work biceps and shoulders, which are more likely to be used more powerfully, like when going up for a board or a shot in traffic (shoulders) or when fighting for a loose ball (biceps). Your could argue shooting the ball is a pushing motion, and it is, but it doesn't require much power for a ball player to shoot the ball. If anything the extra bulk or force from muscular triceps/pecs would throw off a shot or make the shooting motion less smooth.
You got to have a strong core and legs to be a good jump shooter/ rebounder. Its a one motion flow that starts with the legs. That's why when your legs run out so does your jumper. Kevin durant doesnt have strong biceps,shoulders,pecs.
Yeah like i said, a lot of players refuse to lift, durant is a good example. When i refered to biceps and shoulders i meant for the perimeter player who did lift. Ideally, they'd want more power/strength in those muscles versus the tris and pecs. Usually a player alone won't think of lifting like that though, it'll be a coach or trainer who suggests it. I'm not sure if you meant the legs should be worked out too and not just what i mentioned, and i do agree, but i just stuck to those muscles to give an example.
I'm a big pierce guy, but I hate his body. That's not to say he isn't strong or doesn't work on it, but when u see guys like kobe or even ray allen, he really look out of place When I played in college, I had to lift during the season to keep my weight and strength.
same here, the guy doesn't have an ounce of muscle size and i'm not sure he's not all fat lol...but he's another one of those guys who refuse to lift because it'll throw off his shot. I always wondered how good someone like that would be if cut back on the fat mass and gained some muscle instead. It's tough sometimes though, the lakers' trainer (and ex-bulls' trainer) talked about how they tried to bulk up Kukoc at some point, and it really hurt his playing style and slowed him down.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/training-forum/22618-how-much-muscle.html Most people gain the most muscle mass in their first year of training/weight lifting. When you consider most athletes in the NBA, they've mostly likely been lifting weights for a certain period of time (yes, there are probably some who don't lift weights), so for experienced people, gaining 10 pounds of muscle a year is not easy. It's also more logical, because if you consider someone like Dwight Howard and his physique, it would not be possible for him to continue gaining 15-25 pounds of muscle a year. He'll need to literally be Superman to do that.
I think pierce is one of those power lift guys. He's strong,but he's not a guy that does reps and get ripped. Duncan,Barkley,daughtery are all in that strong,but not ripped category.
I'm not sure if you caught my post after that one, but i mentioned it's unlikely the big gains would continue for a whole year compared to the first months of the year, so i agree with that, but i'm still not sure where you got 10 pounds from. Most of the guys at that link report gains of over 15 pounds. As for pro players being "experienced" with lifting, it depends on what you mean by experienced. Most high schools don't even have resistance training programs, heck, a lot don't even have a weight room. The big popular ones usually do, much like the bigger colleges. Recently more and more are getting into it, but usually lifting in high school means getting 30 mins to horse around the weight room. There isn't much structure there. Colleges are usually better, but some are just as bad. So I wouldn't count a player as being experienced if they just played around or lifted when time permitted. Their true first year of experience would be when they actually followed a structured, consistent and correct program and that usually doesnt happen for many until they hit college and even then it's more of a cookie cutter program with not much individual attention. Also, the better players may even get a pass if they want because coaches don't want to mess with their games....so for many players the nba is the first time they get one on one training that's specifically designed for them, with access to the best equipment, nutrionists, and the money to hire their own trainer to keep up at home and during offseason. There's a vid at the texans page, i saw it a while back, but the rooks were taken on a field trip by the team's nutrionist to whole foods, and they all talked about how it was a new experience for them and such a performance boost, that's similar to what some nba players experience with weight training and diet, and of course how you eat greatly influences gains in the weight room..
Shane normally had issues with the stronger guys and artest had problems with the quicker ones. Shane has the lean,no definition look, but that doesn necessarily tells how strong he is. Watching him play, he doesn't seem to lack stamina which tells me he's probably a big aerobic guy. I guess its hard to get tired when all u do is run to the corner :grin:
Agree. Some players have very good shooting form but very weak legs/core(JJ.reddick,kapono,battier,). They can't do alot because they would run out of legs. I have a special vision that can see non-athletic players. Myself use to be a set shooter/no athleticism/soft (first year of basketball) but being the tallest my teamates would get pissed saying im the big guy. I came back strong and Im taking everything to the rack. It took years of trial and error training and I do feel more competent than keith jones.
yeah i know he doesn't like to lift personally, but i also heard after he got stabbed he had a lot of scar tissue left, and since then it's actually recommended that he doesn't lift because of it.
