looks like i'm being mobbed on this one!!! i will concede that shandon would have a better career on another team. the 3 man team of steve/moochie/cuttino has got all the backcourt minutes tied up, and that's where he needs to be. however, i will not concede that shandon can't play basketball. nor will i concede that he would not be an asset to this team next year, splitting time at the SG/SF spots. ------------------
buffalo, but don't leave without stating his value, and how many yrs you'd sign him to. That's a major part of the discussion.
Read the article! He's working on his weaknesses! He plays great D, and hustles! That is what I like, he hustles! I'd give him about 3 million for 4 years, so he probably wouldn't take that. ------------------ Protrolls.com! "I want to be like Olajon." -Sagana Diop has the right idea... Keep the ???? alive!
ZRB, That sounds like about what he's worth but since when do we pay guys what they're actually worth? ------------------
I'd give him $3m for 4yrs, too, but he'd have to convince me that he is happy being here all over again. Those business-like comments he made in April? regarding "not being a spot-up shooter" and needed a new system to excel, still have me worried. I can deal with negotiation ploys from Dream, but not Shandon.
heypartner, your assesment of shandon's value is right on: although i would add one more valuable role shandon could play: the SF position, although clogged, is chock-full of untested players (eddie griffin, langhi, tmo). these are players i like, players i have high hopes for, but untested players nonetheless. therefore, shandon could help fill in there when we don't want rookie mistakes. i would only sign him for 3 yrs, but at $4 million a year. rationale: when it comes time to re-sign EG and Tmo, we'll clear his salary off the books. in three years, we shouldn't need him as much, as our young SFs will be matured and eating up major minutes. ------------------
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<font size="8"> Busted!!</font> HeyPee\Crispee-creme...remember? No More heypartner...RIP ------------------ This space for rent
uh...Bob*, it is called a mistake. same we you Det the Threat. Don't you guys have "remember password" turned ON, so you don't have to type your name. I'm posting in both threads, and I forgot to check this time. I should probably turn that off since everytime I make the mistake, someone points it out. Notice I posted as crispee in the "I Will" thread by mistake. Anyhow, let me go turn off password remembering so it ... doesn't ... happen ... again... so sorry
Don't do it again HP... ------------------ This post contains no smilies, you must judge my seriousness on your own...
buffalospeedway, that's cool. Thx for playing the "how much will you pay him" game. Bob* just wants to cause trouble If we can improve our transition game for Shandon, and Shandon can love his job enough to hustle like mad ALL the time (he seems to lose focus sometimes now), then he is a keeper. Shooting improvement would be gravy on that. Shandon also needs to stop showing the ball on low post moves and drives. Now that, I have confidence he can correct.
Not going to get involved in whose right here. When I see Shandon Anderson play, I see a guy who learned the old school style. Play hard, defense wins games and unselfish basketball. The Utah way. I'm not a big Utah fan but when they run plays they run them usually to perfection. My point being when I watch the Rockets play everything is isolation for Francis and Cat and where does that leave Shandon like the rest of the role players standing there at the 3 pt. line waiting to see if Cat will pass the ball or if Stevie ,who does pass, will shoot. It will be interesting to see how teams like Houston, Orlando, Philly and other teams ,who have most of their offense run through their guards, how the zone defense works out. No more isolations....... Yes its obvious that Shandon has weaknesses but like someone post earlier who doesn't. Every player has something that they can get better at. Shandon can shoot in my opinion(he is a spot up shooter) and a great defensive player. No one better on the Houston Rockets(Stevie very good as is Dream-getting older) no doubt. I have no idea what to pay Shandon but he is worth keeping on this team but will his price be too high. Probably so. As will Dreams...... ------------------
Shandon Anderson brings all of the little things to the game that don't make the stat sheet, things like a little defense hustling and grabbing a rebound or two. He does this because he can't bring the big things like dribbling and shooting. I value defense very highly, but I value the ability to dribble and shoot even more. Shandon is a tweener, and I'm afraid that's all he'll ever be. $3-4million over 4yrs, with a team option for a 5th. If he doesn't accept that, tell him it was nice having him on the team, and wish him well elsewhere. ------------------ Don't ask, I lost a bet.
This I don't get. Chucky Brown Mario Elie Austin Carr Luke Longley freaking Lame Beer Jeff Hornechek Those are old style players. With no athletic skills, they do everything well for their position, in the best of their ability. They all can shoot and pass and move with and without the ball. They are all smarter than the player guarding them....except lame beer. Shandon is a gifted athlete who needs athleticism to make it in this league. That is not "old style" in my book. Bobby Knight never recruits defensive specialists just because they are athletes. Alabama and Mississippi State do. Shandon as the "old school" does-all-the-little-things guy is a myth, imo, based on him being associated with the Utah Jazz and Stockton and Hornechek. So I guess I can mark down Byron Russell is old school, too, since he knows when to cut to the basket for an old school Stockton pass.
I think its because its easier to notice the little things when a player doesn't do the big things - like dribble the ball. All the great players did the little things, they just did the big things too. In my opinion, of course. ------------------ Don't ask, I lost a bet.
crispee, I couldn't agree more. Malone, Stockton and Hornacek totally overinflated Shandon's worth. The greatest scoring power forward of all time sits in the lane passing to little gazelles and everyone oohs and ahhs. Those gazelles try to dribble from time to time, whoa ohhh. Keep cutting baby. And make a totally open fast break layup from time to time too, could you please? Oh no? Please? BTW a question(perhaps for a different thread, I didn't really read the first page for this one ), was Shandon a '6th man' for the Jazz? It seemed like Antoine Carr, Adam Keefe, Howard Eisley, Chris Morris and Greg Foster got a lot of minutes the seasons that the Jazz went to the finals.
crispee, is it fair to suggest that a large part of your dislike for Shandon comes from the fact that he might take minutes from Cuttino? I'll throw my vote in as one who would like to see Shandon return, but definitely not as a starter. As for his work ethic, it's interesting that he has improved his statistics almost every year - now not knowing anything about him I couldn't make any comment on whether this is just due to greater opportunity or if he has worked hard on improving himself - but I think a hard nosed defender is well worthwhile, especially if they're willing to play less mpg! ------------------
no....that is too trite for me DrN. Disliking Shandon is even too trite... I've seen him play over 140 games now, and I'm calling it like I see it. His stats are going up any more than his minutes,,,btw. And none of that really matters though, because I value what a see more than what I read.
