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You think the 18 rockets overachieved? That was maybe the best non warriors team of the last decade and probably a top 15-20 team of all time

 

As a team, yes. By roster talent alone, there's no reason they should be. If you watch preseason segments from that year, everyone is saying Rockets have no chance. Then we went on a regular season tear and people started hopping on the bandwagon but not seriously until after we took game 1.

We did not have the talent to be competitive in a series with the most talented team of all time. That's why I say we overachieved.

 

No team in history has the talent to compete with them, it’s the best team ever easily. But we had 2 of the top 6-7 players in the league

 

Not to mention Chris Paul missed a lot of games to start the season and harden missed a few weeks in middle of season with hamstring.

The record when cp3 harden and capela all played was like 50+ and 3 or something.

Def would’ve won 70 games and the championship if nobody ever got hurt all season and playoffs.

 

We had the best player on the planet and one of the greatest pgs of all time. Who cares what preseason polls expected? They based it on the silly notion that Harden and CP3 couldn’t co-exist and were just flat out wrong. This is the same media that had OKC ahead of the Rockets for like 4 straight years in preseason. Thought it was just a running joke.

That 18 team was fantastic. I wouldn’t change a thing other then CP3’s hamstring. That was a championship team that just didn’t win it. But you could run the playoffs back 10 times and they probably get rings in at least 5 of them.

 

Durant is as good as Harden so let's call that a wash. CP3 at his age is no Curry. Gordon is no Klay. Ariza is no Draymond.

Talent wise we never even had two current MVP candidates on the court like the Lakers did in the bubble.

It just happens to be the most talented team of all time we lost against in the warriors. Anyways, I am talking about overachieving vs the media expectations.

 

Harden was the best player in NBA in '18 and '19.

 

Did somebody put Lebron, Kawhi or KD on the Rox or did I miss something?

It was 4 all stars vs 2. You dont know that the Rox would win 5 rings out of 10 tries maybe in another try it is Harden who gets hurt or w/e. 4 all stars vs 2, and KD is on the other team. Steph is better than Cp3. Thats really all you need to know.

I agree with Mathloom anybody who thinks the Rox didnt overachieve that year is just wrong. Put all the players on the roster side by side and you'll see. Look at the coaches and you'll see.

 

And Giannis went B2B regular season mvp nobody considered him the best player on the planet. Curry was the first and only unanimous mvp so far and I never thought he was the player at any point in his career.

Lets just be objective and not be a total homer when talking about the best.

 

Just because YOU dont agree does not make it any less real.

Harden was unstoppable those years.

Just needed more support.

 

If he was unstoppable Rox woulda won.

If he needed more support that means he was stoppable. Rox bricked like 23 3s in a row or something how is that unstoppable?

Harden never being the best player is the consensus opinion among the NBA watching community. Its just you being the outlier and not me. Lots of people say he is arguabky the best scorer, but he wasnt considerd the best player.

Hiw many people said Harden is better than Lebron at any point in their career?

 

2019 Lebron was not even close to Harden.

And I'm talking about BEFORE Lebron's "injuries" had him shut it down for the year.

And FYI, your definition of best/unstoppable player is ridiculous, really an ignorant take.

Neither Lebron NOR Durant won every season of their careers.

They only won when they had MULTIPLE all stars on their TEAM.

 

But I never said Lebron or KD were "unstoppable" so why do they need to win by themselves? You are the one claiming that for Harden aka Harden was unstoppable that year.

Being the best is different from being unstoppable you can be the best and still be stopped like when MJ got beaten black and blue by Detroit.

You are right Lebron and KD didnt win every single season of their careers but they and Kawhi are still the consistent best player in the league for the last decade. Harden was never in that conversation.

Stuff like Lebron wasnt even close to Harden in 2019 thats just opinion, man. Consensus wise which is the opinion of everyone else Lebron/KD/Kawhi were the best player.

 

Semantics is poor sports argument.

You're just reaching now.

 

Semantics? Look up unstoppable and best in the dictionary tell me how you can confuse the two.

Your sole argument for Harden being the best is just on blind regular season stats. I already showed you lots of cases the dude with the best stats or was MVP wasnt the best player. Based on stats Jokic and Embiid had the best stats were they the best player last year?

Or those dont count because they arent Harden? Gimme a break.

 

And Harden was better when he was on the Rockets.

 

Ok so he went from best to top 3 now? Thanks for clarifying he wasnt the best.

 

When Harden was on the Rockets he was the best.

Am I stuttering?

Every season when MDA was his coach, Harden should have won MVP.

That's 4 consecutive seasons.

 

Consensus???

Lebron couldn't hold Harden's jock in 2019, that is fact.

 

No you arent stuttering, but that just your opinion and everybody has an opinion. Some dude out there is saying Elvis should have been president. Did he stutter? No.

Should woulda coulda. Harden didnt win 4 mvps and neither was he considered the best player in the league by the consensus nba community. The best you can find is top 3 which you have thanfully proved by yourself.