Shams: Jimmy Butler open to being traded to Rockets Mavericks or Warriors

Jimmy has had 4 toxic relationships and some y’all still like “I can fix him”. Wouldn’t take him even if he was making half his salary.

 

No

 

Jimmy is a classic short term results guy. The only teams who should even consider him are ones with title contending windows very rapidly closing like the Warriors and the Suns. I know Jimmy would like to fancy himself as a tough guy(if he's so tough, why can't he keep his emotions in check?), but the reality is the opposite because the only teams who would welcome him at this point are those who are just desperate. That was the case in Minnesota, Philly, and Miami and will certainly be the case if he finds himself in a Warriors or Suns uni.

 

No washed Vets with their own agenda and egos

 

It's not Houston and it's not Harden. They hate both. Himmy has been a worse diva than Harden and never gotten hate for it.

 

I mean, an all time legend Pat Riley and elite HC Spoelstra basically conspired to humiliate him in front of his teammates - obviously they were hoping to instigate.

I don't have a problem with Jimmy walking out of that practice. I would suit up for the game if they ask me to, but I'm definitely leaving that practice and emailing Jaylen Brown (Players Union).

 

Riley and Spoelstra are not dumb and neither is Jimmy. They hate each other. The Heat want to take away whatever money they can from him just as he has tanked his value to them in trade. It's over.

 

Yup. This is business. The idea that I should be professional as an employee after my employer has shown ill intent is ridiculous. I don't know who started it, I'm just talking about the practice situation.

Like I said business is business. I will calculate the cost of me doing what's right: displaying to my co-workers that I immediately and fully protest the head coach's conduct, because this was done with them as an audience in mind. If I feel like the consequences are worth it, I will pay to break whatever rule. That's my business, and business is business. That's what Riley and Arison would do.

This is a wild west situation, you have to protect everything. Riley and Arison's future wealth is secure and they are going after Butler's future wealth, reputation, credibility, business opportunities. I don't know if people get how much of a red line it is to mess with a man's money in the NBA. I find it disgusting the media is twisting this as though Butler is crazy for walking out.

I think best thing for him is to get free, find a good situation then share his full story.

 

Huh? He has always gotten hate thats why Sixers chose Tobias Harris over him. He only rehabbed his image in Miami but now he destroyed it again.

Literally everyone is hating on Butler and calling him a diva what do you mean he never got hate?

 

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I just hope the heat get screwed over any deal with butler cannot stand Riley

 

Yeah im kind of glad the whole stupid “culture” nonsense is being exposed. They’ve just been lucky to have good players that wanted to be there because of the beach, low taxes, and nightlife. There’s no special mojo they have and them worshipping themselves over it has been annoying.

They deserve a nutcase like Himmy exposing that they are no different. It’s a star driven league. Not an 80 year old former player and coach who manages the team league. Lebron and Bosh came to Miami for the beach and the money. Not for Pat Riley.

 

He started this because at 35 years old he wants another max contract. He is already making 50m and has an option for next year. Why wouldn't Riley and Spoelstra be vidictive, because his actions were being detrimental to the team. Not practicing, missing flights, he is getting what he deserves from the Heat. He has disrespected them time and time again to force his way out because they didn't want to extend him. Unless Jimmy is a complete idiot his future wealth is already guaranteed for generations. Maybe they went overboard with this particular practice, but the overall situation is squarely at Jimmy's feet. What would you think if FVV demanded an exptension right now and started to pull the same shenanigans that Jimmy has?

 

Completely agree with you

 

Yeah to be honest, I don't care. I don't believe the earlier vague reports that he was causing issues and Butler's representation has said those are made up and they will dispute them. I think both sides are exaggerating. You're telling me a cheater is cheating on a cheater, I don't really care. Riley's lied and cheated and stabbed people in the back and acted unprofessional too. This is not a teacher-student relationship. These are parties to a contract.

What I was discussing is Butler's rights which he owns even after he has breached his contract or made a mistake, so it doesn't matter what happened before. I was just saying: he clearly exercised a right and it's Spoelstra who was unprofessional actually. Once the professionalism was broken, Jimmy totally severed ties from an already testy relationship where both had made mistakes. The very first out of line move was Riley deciding that he must tell his star player to shut up IN PUBLIC. That's the first domino. Jimmy talking **** can be dealt with privately. Riley ****ed up first which is why he apologized otherwise he would NEVER apologize. Now he's bitter because Jimmy told him to shove his apology. So he decided to go for Jimmy future and business and bank account. Now someone will win dirty and someone will lose dirty.

I don't have a problem with that. Riley is coming for Butler's neck so I assume it's fair game both ways.

 

Pat Riley is certainly not blameless in this mess and both sides are now fighting fire with fire, but all Jimmy Butler has done since returning from an illness is do everything in his power to sabotage his Heat teammates and coaches. They tried giving him his starting spot back after his seven-game suspension ended, and he proceeded to continue to dog it on the court. Then, he intentionally missed a team flight, leading to a second suspension. If he thought he would be starting after all that, he’s insane. At what point since returning from illness has Butler showed any professionalism on or off the court?

Players and coaches understand the NBA is a business, but they do not appreciate players not playing hard on the court and sabotaging their chances to win games.

 

You're describing a series of things Butler did that are all about one thing: you don't go out in public and tell your superstar to shut up then you also want them to understand that you don't want to pay the max although others might.

I don't know man, it may be a cultural thing, but if my boss tells me to shut up in public rather than private, disconnecting and leaving is the most respectful possible thing I can do for that person. The other alternative is I hurt them in some direct or indirect and very painful way. There's no possibility of courteous discourse in the immediate aftermath of someone telling me to shut up. I am doing everything in my power to get what I want and give you as little as legally possible.

Personally I think it would be nice if someone could remain professional in that scenario, but I don't dock anyone points for flipping the finger back at a boss who btw has done a garbage job building Jimmy's team. He's overpaid Herro and Robinson. He's lost key role players for cheap. They've been in treadmill status for a while except that one time Jimmy went Himmy against the odds. Just thinking about him telling his star PLAYER to shut up infuriates me.

I don't hold it against Jimmy. That time he screwed Wolves practice, that was bad. This one Riley and the Heat deserve even if Butler has made mistakes too.

 

Pat Riley told Butler to shut up only in regards to commenting about other teams the Heat lost to in the playoffs when Butler was unavailable due to injury. Here’s Riley and Butler’s quotes:



“For him to say that, I thought, ‘Is that Jimmy trolling or is that Jimmy serious?'” Riley said. “If you’re not on the court playing against Boston, if you’re not on the court playing against the New York Knicks, you should keep your mouth shut in your criticism of those teams.”

Riley should have traded Butler during the offseason after making those comments, but his comments do not excuse Jimmy Butler intentionally dogging it on the court when he plays and missing team flights.

Jimmy Butler has $101M (49M this year and 52M next year in his age-36 season) reasons to figure out how to get through this season without destroying his reputation. How many NBA teams besides Phoenix are lining up to give a 37 year old not named LeBron James 50 million per season when that player has missed 100 games out of 391 in the last five seasons?

Also, he only wants to be traded to Phoenix because his camp found out from James Jones through tampering that the Suns would give him an additional max extension that no other team is willing to give, and the one team with max cap space this summer, Brooklyn, is terrible.

Finally, I hope you would resign your position if you were as mad at your boss as Butler is at Riley because if you acted the way Butler has on the job recently, you would be fired in a heartbeat.

 

I get what you're saying, but I do not agree with you. If my employer or business partner publicly tells me to shut my mouth, there's no more professionalism and courtesy from me. That is the first mistake that triggered all the shitty behavior from both sides. Pat Riley is the source without question.

I don't care what Riley should have done or whatever is good for him, the moment he made that comment, he should have expected to get nothing more than the legal minimum "professionalism" required by the contract. Yes Butler will give them as little as legally possible. I have no issue with that. If there's a fine to pay for missing a flight, I have no issue with sticking to the contract and paying that fine. As Riley has said to many, business is business. Riley is known to play dirty and his future wealth is not at stake. This is not just some employer-employee relationship, Jimmy has championship aspirations and a PR brand. He's not going to respect that man or be courteous. That's a guy who's going after his wealth and disrespected him publicly, all gloves are off.

I honestly don't know how you guys live, but maybe you're comparing this to having to be professional at a desk job or something. Prior to that Butler had over-delivered on his contract. After Riley's comments, he will barely meet expectations. It's that simple and it's the only way Riley will learn a lesson. The first domino is Pat Riley telling Jimmy Butler to shut his mouth about something. That deserves a punch to the face which Jimmy will never get to do. Instead, he's going to screw the Heat out of assets by not agreeing to extend with anyone.

Business is business.

EDIT: on whether I would resign, only if the company penalized the boss and they paid more than what's left on my contract. Otherwise, if I were able to avoid punching the person, I would bleed the company of salary doing as little as possible for as long as it took me to have a nice vacation and find a perfect job. In my eyes, this is an unprofessional and disrespectful company that has poor culture and rules - I don't abide by the spirit of the contract anymore, just the text. It's dangerous to my financial and mental well-being. I don't tell my boss to shut up by mistake in oublic, and I expect the same kind of "professionalism" or courtesy back. It's not that complicated.

 

Windhorst thinks the warriors will get butler