He's not saying trade for poole, he's saying jump jalen without giving up any significant assets like the warriors did with poole
Wow. Such toughness. How about show some intelligence? Sit, and help the team by not being on the court?
Yeah exactly. I'm definitely not saying I want to flip Jalen for Poole, only saying that's the kind of deal I could see as a straight up Jalen trade that would be possible without taking back longer term money. Separately, Poole actually is having a bit of a bounce back season. He dropped 39 tonight in a win over the Nuggets and is shooting 40% from 3 on 7.4 attempts per game. He's inconsistent and a knucklehead, while Jalen is just inconsistent. But Poole doesn't have that 27-28 player option either.
This is true. Poole's standing sunk like a stone last year but you can't take away he was the third leading scorer on a team that won the NBA title. If you look through existing contracts it's hard to sort of find the Jalen straight up or + filler for X or Jalen for X + filler trade. Poole is close to all I've got. A team trying to get off (maybe) worse money like Paul George, Jamal Murray, maybe Zion. Maybe Miles Bridges or Immanuel Quickly.
It may take 40 ganes or 240 but Jalen will make an ASG or two. I just don’t know if we can afford to wait when Whitmore/Anen or trade option might be better in the long run
Wow you have never made the NBA, you know everything huh. What about the whole team that can't shoot. Jabari Smith with 5 points, Johnathan Kuminga with 33 points his career high. Dillon Brooks can't guard anyone, Andrew Wiggins schooled him Kevin Looney schooled Alperen Sengun.
Meh. That was the only season Poole was ever better than Jalen (up until this season, Poole is playing well this year, but a lot of games left). Overall I'd say they're fairly comparable--that is to say, wildly inconsistent on a game-to-game basis, score-first shot creator guards who just aren't efficient enough at scoring in the aggregate to justify heavy rotational minutes. The most likely outcome with Jalen is that we wait a year or two and move him in some larger package deal as a salary match with a bunch of other assets to acquire a disgruntled star (or at least a high-end starter).
Guess how many people who are paid to talk about the NBA, played on the NBA? It would maybe help your argument, if you didn't have to cherry pick a few examples. Meanwhile nearly every single game we can point to Jalen being a negative to the team. Truth hurts. Why is it Jalen fan's IQ correlates so closely with Jalen's IQ. It's such a strange phenomena.
I didn't really mean to start a Jalen vs. Poole debate, but I think you could argue Poole's fourth year was still better than any full Jalen season so far even though he took a step back. But yeah, probably somewhat comparable to Jalen's aggregate season last year and what he's on pace for this year. Poole has had a weird career (Year 1 barely looked like an NBA player, Year 2 promising improvement, Year 3 breakout legitimately good, Year 4 step back but still OK, Year 5 bigger role and became arguably most destructive player in the league getting big minutes, Year 6 maybe bouncing back). Agreed he's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of what Jalen is overall at this point, with both guys probably more suited as bench scorers and Poole as a bit better shooter and facilitator and Jalen as a better defender. I agree with your second statement too. I don't see a trade just to move Jalen and most likely scenario is he gets moved in a year or two as part of a big swing trade when him having a year or two on his deal won't seem as bad to the receiver either. His extension is very bad but it's not like he's a harmful player anymore. If there's an opportunity to use him as salary with assets for a Lavine type overpaid but still good player who doesn't have a longer deal after the season I could see that. I also agree with the earlier statement that it's not going to take like Bridges level draft capital packaged with Jalen to get a Lavine but I think we'd have to give up some decent assets in that trade, though again assuming Jalen's trajectory this season stays the same.
People are being overly dramatic with Jalen's value. He is not nearly as bad as what the bulls gave Lavine at that time, he is not even as bad of a contract of what the Warriors gave Jordan Poole, and they were able to get out of his contract. Jalen Green is probably on the level of what MPJ's current remaining contract is worth, it isn't tremendous value, but it is also not a terrible contract. His agent had to have gauged his value with the market somehow, we gave him a market value deal. There also is not really a replacement available, you have to find a replacement to even consider trading him. Ja, Luka, Ant, JB, Tatum, etc are not available. No one on this team can really shoot well, so you have to assume there is a chance Jalen would succeed with a different offensive scheme for another team. I would imagine there are some teams that would be willing to take this risk. If you had a prime D'Antoni team and Jalen as the primary player, he would be filling up the stat sheet, maybe they lose a lot, but maybe you develop a piece while you collect high draft picks. The Rockets did exactly that. I think the Wizards are actually doing that too, they get a guy they know that will lose them a ton of games, but looks like hes the face of the franchise, all while owning their own picks. The Rockets also traded for an aging Westbrook, some NBA teams get blinded by athleticism even if the player may not work out. A Jalen Green run team would be better than the Wizards are in my opinion. I would much rather look for a deal that does not involve the Suns or Nets picks or swaps if eventually moving Jalen. Those are looking to be insanely valuable, especially with KD already out his second stint.
How about other teammates show some IQ. Fred VanVleet, Dillon Brooks, Jabari Smith are not exactly High IQ in taking bad shots. Pay attention to his other teammates. Fred VanVleet taking a horrific 3 point shot and then blaming the referees pointing at them and cussing them out.
We won, and Jalen played well, so we're thankfully going to get a reprieve from @Downtown Sniper. Man, a Rockets "fan" who only posts a lot when the Rockets/Jalen aren't doing as well. Can you imagine a sadder existence?
OK, since we finished this season, we came to this point again: Seriously, when can we end this JG experiment? Is his first Playoff series sample size big enough for Stone to make a decision? Is it too much to ask Jalen to just be average? to score 15 points in a game? Come on! I swear if we have a competent shooting guard, GSW's dead body is already far behind! I understand that our team is young and is already beyond everybody's expectation this season. It's just so painful and frustrating to lose like this. Just imagine if we could have a SG who can score...I am not even asking for a superstar....just an average starting SG from any teams... Ofcoz this is a team loss, Sengun needs to improve, Ime needs to improve, etc., but who is the most deadweight? I hope we have an answer this offseason.
