if i remember correctly, trader jorge did not capitalize his name. very interesting that you did not capitalize it either when you capitalize all the other appropriate words in your post...very interesting, indeed!
History has already born out that Cheney was 100% wrong on the items I mentioned. Fifty years isn't going to change any of that. If you're just here to post unsupported opinions and then cop out to claim history will ultimately be the judge then there's not going to be much to discuss or debate with you and that's the point of this forum in case you hadn't noticed. I'll just put you on ignore now and come back in 20 years to read your posts and see how right you were about everything. Good luck, chief.
MoJo ain't Trader Jorge, unless he had two accounts under different names simultaneously. He is a regular poster at the Texanstalk message board, and has been saying this stuff for years. We've gotten in a few discussions from time to time, usually it's been quite civil. I've also seen him post in this forum several months ago. He's just picked up the pace because the football political board is so overrun with "Obama's an evil FacsistCommie" type posts that many who voted for him refuse to post there anymore. Many well respected and decent posters (MoJo knows the names Dreadhead, Mr. PC, and ATX even if y'all don't) stick to the sports board now. He's just bored because the Texans Talk political board reads like Free Republic and there's no one for him to argue with there.
more on the Cheney FBI interview -- Cheney FBI interview: 72 instances of can't recall On 72 occasions, according to the 28-page FBI summary, Cheney equivocated to the FBI during his lengthy May 2004 interview, saying he could not be certain in his answers to questions about matters large and small in the Plame controversy.
That's interesting since the reputation here that this forum is very liberal. Maybe football fans tend to be more conservative while basketball fans tend to be more liberal.
I think you have this one a little off... Here is how it has gone recently... Conservative on this BBS: "The sky is green." Liberals on this BBS: "Link?" Conservative on this BBS: "Well....just look outside. Looks pretty green to me." Liberals on this BBS: "Are you freaking serious, you need to look for yourself, I think you are just parroting Glenn Beck since he said the sky is green an hour ago." Conservative on this BBS: "...." Conservative on this BBS: "Well....it looks pretty damn green to me. Don't have much else to say here." Liberals on this BBS: "I don't understand how you can deny reality like you do." Conservative on this BBS: [crickets chirping] This especially applies to MojoMan, who doesn't seem to understand that science trumps his opinion 100% of the time.
If this is the way you feel, then you are not engaging in debate but instead throwing out unsubstantiated claims of your opinion. If this is to be your posting style this time around, then I declare myself to be the winner of any and all previous and future encounters with you as your opinion is simply not reality. HO HO HO Conquistadork_killer OUT
Around election day last year, the lefties on the Texanstalk board were in the ascendancy, and they outnumbered the righties by a ratio of, in my estimation, at least 5-1. There was a lot of hooting and big talk coming from the left, but it was all based on Obama's campaign promises, which have since proved to be mostly a bunch of demagoguery, BS and in far too many instances, just flat out lies. As the number of Obama's lies and failures rapidly began to mount, many of the left wing participants on the Texanstalk message board became dispirited, and with their tails tucked between their legs, skulked off to parts unknown. Now I would estimate the ratio of lefties to righties in the Texanstalk NSZ (like the D&D forum) is down to about 2-1 in favor of the lefties. This really does not provide the feeling of a numerical advantage that the liberals prefer to have. From the perspective of a conservative, it feels like a pretty even match. But truthfully, with the way things have been going for Obama, that is a losing proposition for the left. We still talk about all the issues, but without the name calling and personal attacks. And without a numerical advantage to provide a swarming effect, the liberals have to rely on the force of their arguments, and not the force of their numbers. This trend was also effected by a reasonably recent policy change at the Texanstalk board enforcing a ban against personal attacks on other posters, which came into focus sometime around the election last year. Prior to this, the Texanstalk board had such a policy in writing, but it was not consistently enforced. Enforcing this policy made things hard on a number of left leaning posters, because without the ability to call people names and attack people personally, many of the liberals really did not seem to have much of substance to say. Attack the issue, not the individual. Attack the position, not the poster. There is still a lot disagreement and emotions still tend to run high. But usually without the un-shirted temper tantrums and the personal hostility. It appears obvious that there is no comparable policy being enforced here in the D&D forum of this board. Here in the D&D forum of Clutchfans, name calling and personal attacks are routine business. I have only been participating continuously here for a week or two, and I have already been the recipient of more personal attacks than could easily be counted. Left unchecked, it appears that is just the way that liberals are. Here on this board, it is my sense that the lefties outnumber the righties by at least 10-1, and it could certainly be higher. Name calling and personal attacks is what passes as discussion and debate for many of the left leaning posters here, just like it used to on the Texanstalk board. I do not get the sense that there is any corrective action being taken here in the D&D with regards to that. Certainly this type of behavior is rampant in the D&D forum, so if action is being taken, it is not having much effect. I can only wonder if the passive reaction would be the same if someone from the right conducted themselves this here in this way. Personally, I regard that kind of behavior as classless and crude, so I am not going to be the one to experiment to find out. In any case, this appears to be primarily a liberal tendency. When lefties do not have the argument to back up their positions, they start with the name calling and personal attacks just like a junior high kid. It is a behavior that is childish and very immature. And it is a behavior that happens quite often here. How would most of you guys on the left be able to get along without it? For a number of you, I do not believe that you would.
you should probably ask about the history of the board instead of making ASSumptions based on your 1-2 weeks here.
Those links say nothng of Obama "expanding" the program. What you bolded was a defense of the program. your claim is that Obama is expanding the program, you did not prove it. whether it is closed asap or not is irrelevant. He hasn't been in office in a year, came in with a major financial crisis, and he is trying to close it. you're just complaining to complain. more strawman, so you're criticizing him for winning the noble peace prize, because he is keeping his promise to focus on Afghanistan? So because he won the noble prize he should ignore American security interests? your quote does not back up your claim that evidence gained through torture is still be used in a court of law. secondly, I am pleased with the way the administration has handled investigation of the previous admin, there are other problems to correct right now. again, the expectations are silly.
Did he? I may be wrong but I don't recall him saying he would end that particular program. I recall him saying he would review that and other programs when he came into office.
so when you said this... were you attacking the issue or the individual? and when mojoman does not have the arguement to back up his positions he throws out a couple stink-bombs and then runs away.
Ferreals MoJo? You didn't notice personal attacks like "Dreadhead you ex marine you only voted for Obama because you and he are both black." Or "Dan you don't know what you are talking about because I think your job is menial." I guarantee you that the ocean of libs you are convinced were repressing and insulting you didn't all slink away never to be heard from again. They will vote. They just won't waste their time talking to someone who has nothing more to offer than "You are a Commie" in response. But if you really think you changed their mind you are in for one rude awakening in 2012. Clutch Fans posters: You guys have to understand that there are multiple posters on TT that make basso look like Malcolm X. There's one guy named cuppacoffee that does nothing but paste spam emails calling Obama Hitler. There's another one that vascillates between defending interning WWII internment of Japanese Americans and comparing Curb Your Enthusiasm to Larry Johnson. This site has a much higher percentage of liberal posters in the political forums.
no, what i bolded was an expansion of the program that went beyond what the bush administration claimed. obama has claimed that the government has immunity from any legal challenge regarding wiretapping. that, by definition is an expansion of the program - why are you having such a hard time coming to terms with this? furthermore, obama ran against this program and continues to defend the previous administration (states secrets, sovereign immunity, ect). why are you getting so upset w/ me for pointing out that obama has gone back on his word? here is keith olberman talking out this...do you think he is he bad too? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yVGiUp62CR8&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yVGiUp62CR8&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> again, candidate obama promised to close it right away - why are you upset w/ me for pointing out that he has not followed thru on his promises? so the issue isnt that obama isnt doing what he said he was going to do, its just that im complaining. why are you going to such lengths to deflect and defend someone who has not followed through on so much of their campaign promises? you are attacking me for pointing out that obama has gone back on his word, but offer no real counter to any of the several articles i have posted. i didnt criticize him for it, did it? i just pointed it out - stop being so overly defensive of the guy. ok, i cant find any articles to prove that right now, although knowing how far he has gone in keeping the bush program in place, is it really that hard to believe? so out of everything i have discussed i will retract and rephrase this one to say that "the obama administration is continuing the bush policy of suppressing torture evidence and has even gone so far as to threaten to w/hold information from the brits about terrorist activity if they allow evidence of torture to be brought into the trial of an accused terrorist". so, are you in favor of this? was the the 'change' you were expecting? what investigation? administrations cant delegate/mutli-task? so expecting obama to follow thru on his campaign promises is silly? why are you going to such lengths to defend him?
