Serious Discussion - what could we trade Tmac for...

To me, if the Rockets are bring back McGrady, they might have to get rid of Ron Ron.

If Morey wants Tracy back, either Wafer or Artest won't be signed most likely.

If we do sign both, Wafer would be getting MUCH less minutes and he wont
even hit over 20 minutes.

 

This only works if we throw someone in with TMac, like Brian Cook. He's got a Player Option on his contract, which he'll take, and we can land Chandler and Peja.

 

Totally agree with your trade now opinion. Rockets shall not wait for 2010 amd let chances go by. What about Hamilton's situation? I know Detriot wanted to get rid of him to rebuild. if we can get Hamilton and decent pg that will be great. I like Deng and Hinrich also,they can fit well in here. But have to say no to Jefferson. Jefferson is overrated because kidd's help, and his game is downside.

 

Would Detriot want Tmac expiring contract with AI coming off too

seems like Detriot might want to start over and build with the young guys they have



Tmac/Barry for RIP/Prince　



Yao
Scola/Landry
Prince/Battier
Artest/Rip
Lowry/Brooks

 

I'd trade him for a tropical citrus vitamin water.

 

Rileydog, gsw looks more like a pretty good trading partner also. Nellie declared the season over very,very early last yr. Also at the end, he was sitting vets for the young guys. Jackson has 4yrs left and Maggette has 4 yrs left. Turiaf has 3 left. Maggette,Jackson, Turiaf for tracy makes sense money wise. That would also free gsw to play azubuikke,morrow,randolph and wright more with ellis and biendrens. A move like that would probably knock artest and von out the picture, but jackson to me is just as good if not better than ron and maggette is much better than von. That would allow u to keep make jackson and battier as starters then bring maggette off the bench in full attack mode. The team would still have 2 good defenders in jackson and battier. Turiaf would give the squad a backup 5 that could also play the 4 for some of those matchups. This would allow the rox to still have cook,hayes,and barry as expiring contracts. That's like 7 m. There are options, its just a matter of les accepting the fact of trying to get it now as opposed to waiting for fools gold.

 

i'm sure we could pry away a big man from them

 

That is I have been talking about all along. Better be a wishful thinking. Plus, BD 's got a hefty contract, if he screws, we are done.

 

Mission impossible

 

Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue

 

That one is far away from reality.
A guy with questionable health and an old veteran for 2 stars under 30. Not goin to happen.

 

it is not impossible. Detriot is trying to rebuild their team,that's why they traded their best player billups. It is not Tmac on court they want, it is Tmac huge expiring contract they need. Detriot is going to make some big moves at 2010. And Rip and Princess is not untoughable core again. Detriot fans posted many crazy trade proposels on realgm.com

 

please keep aging peja, broken chandler, and 'mr. im more hurt than t-mac' baron davis away from any tmac trade rumors.

we have the advantage here. we shouldnt settle for anything. worst case scenario, you have 50+ win team, and a 20 mill expiring contract in the summer.

 

You dont trade Tracy you let him play out that last year and make a move during that offseason. That 23 mill off the book you can sign a rising player than trade for a player just that matches the contract.

 

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Houston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +7.5 ppg, +9.6 rpg, and +5.9 apg.

Incoming Players
Marcus Camby
6-11 C from Massachusetts
10.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.1 minutes
Jose Calderon
6-3 PG from Spain (Foreign)
12.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.9 apg in 34.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes

L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.4 ppg, -8.4 rpg, and -3.4 apg.

Incoming Players
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
8.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Marcus Camby
6-11 C from Massachusetts
10.3 ppg, 11.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.1 minutes
Baron Davis
6-3 PG from UCLA
14.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.7 apg in 34.6 minutes

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.1 ppg, -1.2 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

Incoming Players
Baron Davis
6-3 PG from UCLA
14.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 7.7 apg in 34.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jason Kapono
6-8 SF from UCLA
8.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 22.9 minutes
Jose Calderon
6-3 PG from Spain (Foreign)
12.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 8.9 apg in 34.3 minutes

 

Works in ESPN trade machine as well...LOL @ projected wins for each team.

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Los Angeles Clippers
Toronto RaptorsTrade Exceptions:Houston Rockets Payroll

$70,433,285
Cap Room

-$11,753,285

PlayerSalaryPER
Being Traded To
Marcus Camby$10,000,000$10.0M 18.8C9 0 2 Years Being Traded To
J. Calderon$7,438,018$7.4M 18.8PG1 0 5 Years Being Traded To
Jason Kapono$5,784,480$5.7M 9.0SG2 0 2 Years Acquiring 3 Players
$23,222,498$23.2M

Houston Rockets Roster

Being Traded To Ron Artest$7,400,000$7.4M 15.6SF5 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Brent Barry$1,910,000$1.9M 9.3SG2 0 2 Years
Being Traded To S. Battier$6,448,900$6.4M 10.7SF5 0 3 Years
Being Traded To Aaron Brooks$1,045,560$1.0M 12.9PG1 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Brian Cook$3,500,000$3.5M N/APF6 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Joey Dorsey$816,500$816.5K N/APF6 0 3 Years
Being Traded To Chuck Hayes$1,768,000$1.7M 7.8PF6 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Carl Landry$3,000,000$3.0M 17.7PF6 0 2 Years
Offer Matched (Charlotte Bobcats)
Restriction Expires: September 25, 2009
When a team exercises the right of first refusal to keep a Restricted Free Agent cannot trade the player for 1 year without the player's consent. The player cannot be traded to the team that gave the offer sheet.
Being Traded To Kyle Lowry$1,163,520$1.1M 14.5PG1 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Los Angeles Clippers T. McGrady$20,370,437$20.3M 16.4SG2 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Yao Ming$15,070,550$15.0M 22.7C9 0 3 Years
Being Traded To D. Mutombo$502,007$502.0K 10.8C9 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Luis Scola$3,100,667$3.1M 17.1PF6 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Von Wafer$797,581$797.5K 14.8SG2 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To James White$184,157$184.1K N/ASG2 0 2 Years
Free Agent
Restriction Expires: June 03, 2009
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Trade Exceptions

R. Alston$1,400,000$1.4M S. Francis$2,634,480$2.6M S. Novak$797,581$797.5K D. Greene$809,300$809.3K S. Singletary$442,114$442.1K
Hollinger's Analysis: 55-27 (+4 Wins)

With this trade you have increased this team's projected wins by 4.
Los Angeles Clippers Payroll

$61,741,457
Cap Room

-$3,061,457

PlayerSalaryPER
Being Traded To
T. McGrady$20,370,437$20.3M 16.4SG2 0 2 Years Acquiring 1 Player
$20,370,437$20.4M

Los Angeles Clippers Roster

Being Traded To Alex Acker$711,517$711.5K 10.5SG2 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.

No Reacquiring (Detroit Pistons)
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Houston Rockets Marcus Camby$10,000,000$10.0M 18.8C9 0 2 Years
No Reacquiring (Denver Nuggets)
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To M. Collins$1,034,760$1.0M 9.5PG1 0 2 Years
No Reacquiring (New York Knicks)
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To Toronto Raptors Baron Davis$11,250,000$11.2M 14.5PG1 0 5 Years
Being Traded To Ricky Davis$2,300,000$2.3M 7.2SF5 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Eric Gordon$2,623,200$2.6M 15.0SG2 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Fred Jones$459,782$459.7K 10.4SG2 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To D. Jordan$550,000$550.0K 14.2C9 0 3 Years
Being Traded To Chris Kaman$9,500,000$9.5M 14.5C9 0 4 Years
Being Traded To Steve Novak$797,581$797.5K 13.5SF5 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Z. Randolph$14,666,667$14.6M 19.7PF6 0 3 Years
No Reacquiring (New York Knicks)
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To B. Skinner$1,262,275$1.2M 10.7FC8 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Mike Taylor$500,000$500.0K 10.1PG1 0 3 Years
Being Traded To Al Thornton$1,776,240$1.7M 12.7SF5 0 2 Years
Hollinger's Analysis: 21-61 (-8 Wins)

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 8.
Toronto Raptors Payroll

$70,828,805
Cap Room

-$12,148,805

PlayerSalaryPER
Being Traded To
Baron Davis$11,250,000$11.2M 14.5PG1 0 5 Years Acquiring 1 Player
$11,250,000$11.3M

Toronto Raptors Roster

Being Traded To Marcus Banks$4,260,000$4.2M 7.8PG1 0 3 Years
No Reacquiring (Miami Heat)
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
Teams cannot reacquire a player that they traded during a given season (July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived.
Being Traded To A. Bargnani$5,176,440$5.1M 14.7FC8 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Chris Bosh$14,410,581$14.4M 22.2PF6 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Houston Rockets J. Calderon$7,438,018$7.4M 18.8PG1 0 5 Years
Base Year Compensation (BYC)
BYC Expires: July 01, 2009
Outgoing Trade Value: $3,719,009
If a team is over the Salary Cap and enters into a new player contract with a Bird or Early Bird free agent or an extension of a Rookie Scale Contract, that provides for a salary in the first year of the contract in excess of 120% of the player's salary in the prior season, the player will be subject to a Base Year Compensation. If such a player is traded, his Base Year Compensation will be used instead of his salary for purposes of determining the amount of his Traded Player Exception. The player's Base Year Compensation will equal the greater of the salary for the last season of his preceding Contract, or 50% of the player's then-current salary.
Being Traded To Quincy Douby$1,427,040$1.4M 10.3SG2 0 1 Year
Being Traded To Joey Graham$2,449,184$2.4M 12.0SG2 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To K. Humphries$3,200,000$3.2M 16.4PF6 0 2 Years
Base Year Compensation (BYC)
BYC Expires: July 01, 2009
Outgoing Trade Value: $2,522,913
If a team is over the Salary Cap and enters into a new player contract with a Bird or Early Bird free agent or an extension of a Rookie Scale Contract, that provides for a salary in the first year of the contract in excess of 120% of the player's salary in the prior season, the player will be subject to a Base Year Compensation. If such a player is traded, his Base Year Compensation will be used instead of his salary for purposes of determining the amount of his Traded Player Exception. The player's Base Year Compensation will equal the greater of the salary for the last season of his preceding Contract, or 50% of the player's then-current salary.
Being Traded To Nathan Jawai$442,114$442.1K N/APF6 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Houston Rockets Jason Kapono$5,784,480$5.7M 9.0SG2 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Shawn Marion$17,810,000$17.8M 16.0F7 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To P. Mensah-Bonsu 14.7C9 0
Being Traded To P. O'Bryant$797,581$797.5K 11.6C9 0 2 Years
Being Traded To A. Parker$4,550,000$4.5M 12.2SG2 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Being Traded To Roko Ukic$1,250,000$1.2M 9.8PG1 0 2 Years
Being Traded To Jake Voskuhl$577,073$577.0K 0.4C9 0 1 Year
Contract Over
Restriction Expires: July 01, 2009
After the trade deadline, cannot trade a player whose contract is ending or could end due to a Player/Team option or Early Termination Option.
Trade Exceptions

W. Solomon$722,517$722.5K H. Adams$711,517$711.5K J. Moon$711,517$711.5K
Hollinger's Analysis: 36-46 (-2 Wins)

With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 2.
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considering that the guy quite possibly might be the most desirable trade asset heading into next season, these "i'd trade him for [insert basic foodstuff]" comments that will likely continue are neither clever, original, or remotely witty, contrary to what the hampster running on the wheel inside your head is telling you before you hit submit.

 

Two Qs:

1 - can we wait for after the June Parade to initiate this?
2 - when initiated, is it better to deal this summer...or next February? Hmmm.

 

Anyone have a list of the teams in serious financial trouble?

Unfortunatley, there are alot of teams with major money coming off the books this summer, so we will probably have to sacrafice our pick again this year to be able to compete with them. Odds are we are also gonna have to package McGrady with one of our good cheap young players (Landry, Wafer or Brooks) if we want to get anything of value back.

I personally think we should focus on two way players or hustle guys only to make sure we don't give up anything on defense. I don't mind taking back bad contracts, but Id rather they be serviceable players and cap the bad contracts timer on 3 years or they better be packaged with some really awesome young studs (ala Granger)

Something else to consider is that we still have a glut of wings (Barry, Wafer, Artest, Battier). So unless we are trading one of them away, it seems a little pointless to bring in another one. Because if we do, someone is not going to get enough minutes and that is not an effecient use of cap.

Another problem is our lack of size, mainly at the 4 and backup 5. Even if we brought in a guy like Camby, which I don't think I want too anyway, that means you have to sit Scola and that is a huge mistake. I wouldn't trade for a 4/5 unless it is a clear upgrade at the position over Scola, and to be honest I am not sure there are that many people who fit that bill and are available. (Bosh only maybe?)

Heres my breakdown of one of the potential trades:

Synopsis:
Getting Davis and one of thier bigs (Kaman or Camby). LA's motivation here is to escape from the long term suckitude they dug for themselves by offering everyone long bad contracts. Davis doesnt try, Kaman is always hurt, terrible coach, etc. It is really tragic because they have loads of talent and no direction whatsoever.

For starters, I don't think LA will give up Camby, he is an expiring himself and I read that they turned down many offers at the deadline for Davis/Camby, so I don't see why they would want to do it now and not then. I know for a fact that Cuban turned down a Kidd for Davis/Kaman deal this past deadline, so keep in mind that just because there is a lot of name power here doesn't mean it is a great deal. I could see them unloading Davis/Kaman for McGrady/Brooks, but should we bite? Both Davis and Kaman have long bad contracts, but fill two huge glaring weaknesses in our lineups without giving up defense(PG, size and backup 5). Both are injury plagued, are overpaid, and make poor decisions with the ball. I have always liked Kaman, and thought he was underated, but having a 10 million dollar backup is a tough pill to swallow and I don't see him starting at the 4 either. He is a craft player/passer and I will admit it would be fun to see a neo twin towers but I am not sold. I worry about Davis because he plays Artest defense, where he gambles alot and his man gets by. He shot 37% this year which is awful and if you think Brooks dominates the ball and dribbles to much, wait till you see this guy. Don't expect Yao to see with the ball anymore with Davis than you do now with Brooks, maybe even less. Davis also doesn't seem to want to play a brand of basketball other than his own, which could be a problem with Adelman.

Why I might do it
Like I said earlier, this fills up two huge issues for our team and we would be relatively set for 3-4 years. If Davis conforms and can co-exist with Yao, then we could be a zero weakness team, with a very balanced roster. Both of these guys are tough nosed and play with heart. Top to bottom, that is one of the most talented and deep teams in the league.

Davis/Lowry
Artest/Wafer/Barry/White
Battier/Artest/Cook
Scola/Kaman/Landry/Hayes
Yao/Kaman/Dorsey

Why Morey won't do it
Lets be real, Morey doesn't take chances. He is a buisiness man, and those type of people don't take huge contracts for injury prone players. Davis is innefecient and probably would end up costing us. If it doesn't work out, there is no getting out of it. Being cap handicapped for 4 more years could potentially kill our team. Loading up your roster with talent alone doesn't guarantee anything (see Phoenix), you have to pick the right players and the risk is too high to find out if these are the right players.

 

relax...u gotta understand that a lot of fans here do not read, they just post...