Serious Discussion - what could we trade Tmac for...

Me before = NO! I would NEVER trade Yao. But after becoming a hardcore fan of the Rockets... I would do the same too. IT'S 4 DA TEEEAMMM!!

 

i trade BOTH yao and tmac honestly.

this is our best chance to win a ring the next couple of years, with the group of players that we have. but our stars are so damn injured that it's a damn given they won't make it through an entire reg. season + playoffs. IT'S A GIVEN.

trade them now, get all-stars or extremely good players for them and just build a stack team from top to bottom.

 

Starting to think this could be a reality...

O'Neal is a perfect fit. We'd finally have a guy that would force Adelman to limit Yao's minutes. Shaq probably doesn't complain too much about being a backup because he's able to dominate the second tier centers.

McGrady is arguably on the same level as the players that have previously gotten O'Neal - Odom and Marion.

Les LOVES stars and having a retirement home for other notables. Drexler, Barkley, Pippen, Oakley, Mark Jackson, McGrady, Mutombo... Shaq also fits right in with the Rockets Big Man fraternity.

This team gives Shaq a better shot of sticking it to Kobe than he'd have anywhere else short of Cleveland...

 

oohhhh man you can't be serious. You do that then your basically saying your in rebuild mode.

 

No, unless you completely ignore what you are getting in return. Most people would only condone trading Yao if it makes you better.

 

we have a ton of very good players on this team. you trade yao and tmac and you can probably get 3-4 all-star caliber players to put on this team and you're rebuilding?

what are you smoking?

 

You are rebuilding around role players. What if the players you got back from TMac and Yao don't fit with our role players well? You trade again and rebuild again, on your role players? Or you trade your role players? Then why would you trade TMac and Yao in the first place?

We all know what a healthy TMac and Yao can do, without ANY support. Now we also know we have quality support. But we don't know whether what healthy TMac and Yao can do with this support, and we also don't know whether TMac and Yao can be healthy again together.

Why can't we wait and see how things evolve next season? What's the urge to hit the reset button, while you don't even have a target or plan or fallback plan?

 

how do you know they don't fit? morey and adelman are building this team on how they think fit and the players they all have a say on have done that. so i trust both of them to make the right decisions for this team going forward.

what i know for sure is BOTH yao and tracy will NEVER make it through a season + postseason. IT'S A GIVEN. why do you put yourselves through the torture when you know those injuries are coming? and yet making excuses year after year about what should, would, and could be....

it's time to move on. it's time to build a deep and balanced team.

 

I don't smoke ... But what are you smoking?? You do know it takes 2 to trade.. What makes you think any team would really want to trade for Yao and McGrady. 2 broken down players who is basically showing the whole league they can't stay healthy.

I don't see any team with young talent looking to trade for them. I maybe wrong but who is going to want to trade their future for players who can't stay healthy. Basically who is going to trade for McGrady knowing that he is coming off surgery.

Your not going to get equal talent no matter what. If guys trade for McGrady its cause of his contract and that alone would probably be a team like the Knicks or whoever which wouldn't give us equal value in return. I believe they both have one year on their contracts. Keep em both and if it doesn't work then you blow the team up.

 

You couldn't wait to rid of TMac and Yao, because of their injury history or whatever, but you expect them to get you 3-4 all-stars back.

Only win-win deals have a real chance in business world. If you always hope to rip off others, you can't get any deal.

 

In the NBA 2day when you trade a good player your not going to get a good player in return. There is no such thing as equal value. Devin Harris for Jason Kidd? come on are you serious. We Trade Yao for who?? and get nothing in return. Plus Les would go broke and lose all his money he is getting with Yao being here

 

Man, i'm wondering what your other 11k posts look like.

 

With the emergence of Aaron Brooks, I would not do the T-Mac for Camby and Baron Davis anymore nor would I do McGrady for Randolph, Jackson, and Crawford.

The best scenario for the Rockets was one proposed earlier in this trade, which was T-Mac for Stephen Jackson and Andres Biedrins.

 

the lakers got pau gasol for chump change. anything can happen. and morey is arguably the best GM in this league.

again, i said trade them if we can bring back multiple all-star players. we have role players now who CAN DELIVER. they just went 2-2 v. the best west team this year. 2 AND 2. if game 7 was played in houston, it could have been 3-1.

so get the players who can play every night. yao and tmac can't do that anymore.

again, i love tracy and respect yao. but it's time for change (if morey can find good deals of course).

 

I don't know, but HOW DO YOU KNOW? Because of my job, I am big on FEASIBILITY. All I am asking if your plan - what if it doesn't work? Do you repeat or you want to roll back? Do you have a target?

It's not about excuse, but about plan and execution. If you don't even have a plan (feasible or not), you are the one who's talking about shoulda, woulda, and coulda.

 

I'm not buying T-mac for Shaq straight up but a trade for Shaq does fascinate me. If Morey wanted to push all his chips in, he could move Aaron while his value is at an all-time high, for the ultimate "win now" trade:

Brooks
T-mac
Cook

for

Shaq
Nash

Pros:

48 minutes of Yao/Shaq would be pretty devastating. And because of their mutual respect for each other, Yao might be one of the few guys that Shaq would be willing to back-up.

We would finally have a real playmaking pg and wouldn't have to see Ron try to create off the dribble anymore.

If things don't work out, both Shaq and Nash come off the books in 2010 just like T-mac so our longterm cap situation is not hampered.


Cons:

Aaron's future appears to be very bright. We could be trading a future all-star for a couple of over-the-hill stars that can't get us over the hump.

Nash is a poor defender and might compromise what makes this team special in the first place; the team-wide dedication to defending with grit and hunger.

We'd go over the luxury tax for sure.


All that being said, if I'm Morey and this deal was on the table, I wouldn't think twice. It's hard to build a winner in the NBA. There's 30 teams but only a handful of championship franchises in the past 25 years. So you got to take your shots when you can.

 

It's the Lakers, their market, Phil Jackson, and Kobe Bryant are magnets to other players. What makes you think big name players are coming to Rockets when both TMac and Yao are gone? Just because DM is good?

Again, i know you want to change, but for WHAT? It's most dangerous to change for the sake of it.

 

uhh..pau gasol went to the lakers through a trade. we would "trade" yao and tmac to get those players. so those players don't necessarily have a say to choose where they want to go.

also, are you serious? have you seen this team? you don't want to play with scola, brooks, landry, battier, and adelman? i'm sure dwayne wade would be licking his chops to play with these guys if he could.

 

lol TMac+ Cook for Shaq and Nash?
why would the Suns even think about that?

 

They would also get Brooks who's had a coming out party in the playoffs and had a lot of national attention. This is one of the few ways that they can get under the luxury tax while adding a young asset like Brooks who they were interested in before, and would be a perfect fit for their system.