Serious Discussion - what could we trade Tmac for...

Trade Tmac with some of these teams that are losing and rebuilding...they're very stupid and willing to do whatever to generate ticket sales again. Using Tmac as a bait will work!

 

unless he shows he can play again, nobody is gonna pay to watch him play

 

OK...let's be real. The Artest/Battier tandem was more out of necessity than anything. Adelman didn't have an option. The only other legit 2 on our squad is Von Wafer and Rick didn't trust him to start so he ran with what he had.

The Rockets rank 17th in offensive effieciency. Yes we still win games because of the smart "D" that those two play but our starting 5 offensively leaves alot to be desired. I don't have any numbers in front of me but I'll go out on a limb and say that Ron and Shane are probably one of the least productive starting 2/3 combo's in the league (offensively) - they are as we all know prototypical small forwards, neither one of them can be confused for a shooting guard.

That being said....we NEED a legit 2 guard next year. Someone who can score effectively, has a good all around floor game and more importantly doesn't need the ball in his hands in order to be effective. (cough, cough Rip Hamilton )........not to mention the fact that next year they'll be another year older and another slower.


If we resign Ron....get a solid, legit two guard and bring Shane off of the bench, we'll be better off.

 

i like jj,he is the player YAO needs~

 

AI Ivoson wish Denver can win the title CHMP this year,
so what our Tmac said about Rox....LA win the title?
Ooooo hahahaha, LA tied 3-3 with us NOW.

 

Yao/Brooks for CP3/Chandler
Tmac for Davis/Kaman

Paul/Davis/Lowry
Artest/Wafer/Barry
Battier
Scola/Landry/Dorsey
Kaman/Chandler

Our PG and C positions solved for years!

(Sorry, I know these are stupid trades and cripple us financially for years...but I have been drinking all night!)

 

The Rockets cannot let Tracy's contract expire, because that would mean they'd have to deal with him during the regular season and the playoffs. Think about the potential disaster of having Tracy on your 2010 playoff roster when he knows that he's about to become an unrestricted free agent. Frightening.

 

It will be interesting to see what cash strapped franchises are willing to do to get out from under some long term deals.

I think Tracy will have value as a contract more than a player at least in the off season.

Then, if he somehow is ready for training camp, others teams may be willing to take a look at him too, the allure of his abilities is sometimes blinding.....and ego causes other coaches and GMs to go....I can get something out of him that others could not.

So, I think the Rockets will have plenty of suitors for Tmac, be it for his contract or him as a player.

We can probably get some decent 2nd tier players...like Monta Ellis, Corey Maggette, Ronny Turiaf....or Ben Gordon, or Hinrich.......

There will be lots of opportunities, I trust Morey to make the right choice.

Heck, if Tmac is healthy, maybe they keep him and trade Ron Artest instead......you just never know.

DD

 

For as great an asset as people think McGrady's expiring contract is, I think that it is actually TOO big an expiring contract for its own good. Sure, cap-strapped teams love trading for expiring contracts in the $7-15M range; but trying to put a package together for a single $23.2M expiring contract is a lot harder than it seems. Add to that the fact that McGrady won't actually be PLAYING much at all next season.

Personally, I think the only team in the NBA that (a) can afford to take on $23.2M in "dead" salary and (b) is desperate enough to give up assets of its own simply for the salary cap relief, is the New York Knicks. They are desperately trying to open up enough salary cap room to sign TWO max salary free agents (preferably, but totally unrealistically, Lebron and Bosh). The two biggest obstacles to accomplishing this goal are Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries, both of whom have relatively large salaries that go beyond 2010. This past season, the Knicks were scouring the league trying to pay teams off to take either of these guys.

With all this in mind, here is a trade that is at least somewhat realistic and might be justified by each team's GM. The Rockets, Knicks and Pacers make the following three-way trade:

New York Knicks get:
--Tracy McGrady ($23.3M in 2009-10)

Indiana Pacers get:
--Larry Hughes ($13.7M in 2009-10)
--Brent Barry ($2.1M in 2009-10)
--Cash (from Houston)

Houston Rockets get:
--Mike Dunleavy, Jr. ($9.8M in 2009-10, $10.6M in 2010-11)
--Jeff Foster ($6.1M in 2009-10, $6.7M in 2010-11)
--Jared Jeffries ($6.5M in 2009-10, $6.9M player option in 2010-11)
--The #8 overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft

Why the Knicks do this deal: They are absolutely DESPERATE to clear cap room for multiple big-time free agents. To clear off Jeffries's 2010-11 salary, combined with the possibility of McGrady getting healthy again and re-signing (in lieu of a second max salary free agent), might be enough for the Knicks to give up their lottery pick. Hughes is a decent player making way too much money, so his expiring contract is not going to be too hard to give up.

Why the Pacers do this deal: The Pacers aren't going anywhere in the Eastern Conference, and they are in dire financial straits. Even though they will have cap room this summer (assuming they renounce the rights to most or all of their own free agents), trading Dunleavy and Foster (each of whose contracts run until 2011) for expiring contracts could make the Pacers players both this summer and next. Plus, the salary savings beyond 2010 could be sorely needed for them. Barry would be a quality locker room guy to help the young Pacers develop. The cash from the Rockets would help seal the deal.

Why the Rockets do this deal:

MIKE DUNLEAVY: Sure, Mike Dunleavy is no "healthy Tracy McGrady", but neither is any other player that the Rockets could realistically get for Tracy's expiring contract. Until last year's injury that kept him out until the final 15 games of the season, Dunleavy has been amazingly injury-free (missing a total of 11 games in 6 seasons). He is also a good three-point shooter (career 36%, including over 42% in 2007-08) and has developed (a little later than most thought) into a quality offensive player. Plus, he has unusual size (6-9) for a swingman. To put that in perspective, Mike Dunleavy is taller than ANYONE on the current Rockets active roster. Sure, he is overpaid, but not ridiculously so since his breakout season in 2007-08. He would definitely help the Rockets' offense; and the team has enough good defenders to make up for any deficiencies in Dunleavy's game in that department.

JEFF FOSTER: The Rockets would get EXACTLY the type of quality backup C that the team would be looking for. Foster is one of the best rebounders in the league and is a tough defender. He'd fit in quite well with this team. Again, a little overpaid for a backup, but a great fit nonetheless.

JARED JEFFRIES: Way overpaid. A zero on offense. But Jeffries is a terrific defender at 6-11 with long arms who can guard any position on the floor. In a run and cut system under Adelman, Jeffries could flourish playing PF or C in a small-ball lineup. Or he could play in a "defensive stopper" unit with Lowry, Artest, Battier and Hayes, where every player (yes, Lowry included) could seemlessly switch off one another's assignments.

2009 #8 OVERALL PICK: This would be the prized asset of the trade for the Rockets. While this draft is a relatively weak one, the Rockets could get a quality player with the #8 pick. Remember, many of the Rockets' players aren't getting any younger, and it would be nice to have another piece of the long-term puzzle to add to Brooks, Lowry and Landry as far as the team outlook well beyond 2011.

Bottom line: This trade would require a HUGE financial commitment by Les Alexander beyond 2010. Not counting the salary for the #8 pick, the Rockets would save about $6M next season with this deal ($3M in salary, plus another $3M in luxury tax). But the Rockets would instantly become easily the deepest team in the league.

Brooks/Lowry
Artest/Dunleavy/White
Battier/Jeffries
Scola/Landry/Hayes
Yao/Foster/Dorsey

plus the #8 overall pick at any position (best player available?)

Just a thought. I'm obviously bored. I can't wait until tomorrow's game.

 

Just wait until the 2010 off-season to get Michael Redd, Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili. The most realistic one will be Michael Redd, because he sure as hell knows he's no longer a max contract player. Michael Redd is probably willing to get at least 10 mil not 15 or 20 mil like Yao will get.

Trading Tracy in the deadline would help as well, but Leslie's man crush on him won't help this team.

 

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Come on, dude. I KNOW you ready my prior thread. The Rockets CANNOT get a major big money free agent in 2010 based solely on McGrady's contract expiring.

Trading McGrady at the deadline, however, is the most likely scenario for getting good value for his expiring contract.

 

That scared the hell outtaa me!!

S-Jax and Biedrins for T-Mac, we solve both positions, injury prone players (Yao and T-Mac) are no longer a problem if this happens.

Yao can be limited to 25-30 mins per game with Biedrins backing him up.

 

Let me ask you this then. Say we re-sign Yao right? We let Tracy go. How much money would we have left to spend on somebody in 2010. I didn't read your entire thread though. But I would just like to know that part.

 

You would have to include a filler, i know the trade works for TMac next year, when Biedrins looses his BYC restrictions.

But you know the only way the Rox trade Yao is if he has a season ending injury.

God, we probably keep him for advertising if that happens.

 

You know, thats a pretty good thought. I like the jeffries because of what u said about being versitile to guard a couple of positions. One that i like also that has been mentioned was

Tracy for Jackson,Maggette, and Turiaf. Mullin is gone and they might want to go in another direction and shed salaries. Jackson can allow ron and wafer to walk. Maggette gives them the puch off the bench that gets to the free throw line and turiaf is the backup c who can also backup the 4 if needed.

 

If the Rockets re-sign Artest this summer, and if in 2010 either (a) Yao does not opt out of his current contract or (b) the Rockets re-sign Yao (presumably to the max salary), then the Rockets will have no more than about $4-5M tops to sign a free agent (all of which they would waive, in favor of the MLE) unless the team waives Scola and Lowry.

Bottom line: If you want the Rockets to have Yao, Artest, Battier, Scola, Brooks, Lowry and Landry all on the team for the 2010-11 season, then it will be nearly IMPOSSIBLE under the salary cap to sign a big money free agent.

 

good post. very reasonable trades for tmac.

 

Notice: PURE SALARY DUMP FOR PACERS

If Pacers are ALL about saving Money, they would save $74 Million !

Rockets get:
Murphy
Dunleavy
Granger

Pacers get:
McGrady
Cook
Barry
Dorsey


I only bring up this normally ridicious trade because the Pacers are hemmoraging money.

 

Solution for all the guys who want to trade w/Bulls and those who want Marcus Camby:


Trade T-Mac & filler (Cook or Barry) to Bulls for Hinrich, Deng & Noah (young, less injured, better ball handling Camby).



Then trade Deng to Portland for Rudy & Outlaw.