Serious Discussion - what could we trade Tmac for...

Would Jackson be too much of a hot head? Considering we already have a volatile personality in Artest.

 

No, I think Bidrins would be off-limits. Still, to have to take Crawford, a talented but not nearly as talented as he thinks he's talented 2, I would have to be able to flip Mags or (better) Crawford and Landry (Cook's expiring?) for Brand or Crawford and Landry or Cook for Kamen (tes, YES Kamen!). I don't perceive any other flipping landing place.

I am not convinced that a February McGrady might not be the most valuable McGrady of all.

 

STEVE NASH!!!

heres why my fellow clutchfaners:

---we targetted him around the trade deadline repeatedly, as shown by Morey's comments from reports.

---phoenix is in drastic cost-cutting mode, even thinking about not picking up the player option on nash's last year of his contract!!! So any expirings will be very attractive to them if we can give them additional young assets (aaron brooks cough cough)

---nash is in the twilight of his career and will want to win a championship badly after all these years of disappointments...kinda like clyde drexler's idea of moving out of portland to a contender to get a ring

---we can offer EXACTLY the right package...Phoenix's draft target in the 2007 draft was exactly Aaron Brooks...except we took him before Phoenix could with their second 1st rounder and they had to settle for alando tucker...alando tucker??? come on..here you go phoenix...aaron brooks!!! for future PG!

---phoenix is desperately looking for a steve nash replacement...aaron brooks fits the bill greatly

imagine

starter PG---steve nash

backup PG---kyle lowry

 

Sounds great. Now, what's the deal? I think I've heard there needs to be a $ for $ match, except for the 25% + $100K thingy.

 

He has calmed down greatly and has shown leadership skills despite their record.
He is one of the players at GS who plays defense. He is no T-Mac but he is a good ballhandler with decent passing ability. Initially I felt they won't be able to co-exist but if both of them are willing to sacrifice their individual games, I think it can work out.

 

You can have ONE knucklehead on your team at a time, 2 is a disaster...

If you keep Artest you can not get Jackson...

DD

 

I'd rather see us bring TMac back for the last year of his deal, and resign Artest to a one-year deal (even if it is at a higher price). Players play their arses off on the last year of their deal, next year could be the magical year where everything comes together. If not, we have major flexibility next summer.

 

great, so what does this have to do with the houston rockets?

 

I like your way of thinking but I don't see Artest agreeing to it.

 

i would love to sign ben gordon to the full MLE and then trade mcgrady and brooks to golden state for ellis, jackson/crawford, and a young big, and then let artest walk. a pipedream though because there's no way chicago lets gordon just walk if he can be kept at that price, but if so, we're one of the few playoff teams that can offer him a starting spot. orlando also comes to mind but im not sure how close they are to the tax.

best case scenario is landry and mcgrady for granger, dunleavy, and murphy.

 

Allen Iverson?

 

hehe, I dreamed for same thing.
here is my trade:
Tamc+Landry to detriot
Lowry to pheonix

Rip to Houston
Prince(or someone else) to pheonix

Nash to Houston

we end up with:

Yao/Hayes
Scola/Dorsey
Ron/shane
Rip/Von
Nash/Brooks

Nash:2nd July, 1974 signed a 6 year, signed $65.6 million contract on 07/14/04( Nash still has 3 years left in his tank)

Hamilton:Born: 2nd February, 1978, signed seven-year, $62 million contract on 08/12/03 (Rip is not that old, he is still at his prime. Looking at Ray Allen, I believe he still can be good for 5 yrs)

the Billups/Rip duo will be even better though, sigh
3 yrs later, title or no title, then we start rebuilding

 

Great scenario - and why would Dumars say 'Yes'?

C'mon, go with your sceria but make it work for both sides, or all three.

 

I believe Artest's comments were this team was a better team with a healthy Tracy. Stupid thread you are not a Rockets fan !

 

I think your gonna have to look at this from the teams that are tanking and in need of cap relief so I can relaistically see us persuing:

Baron Davis, again
Richard Jefferson or Michael Redd
Vince Carter, no so much cuz they're tanking, but because they want to be in the Lebron mix (Hova).
Kevin Martin

And if they're teams continue to crumble:

Steve Nash
Manu Ginobili

I'd love Ben Gordon, but if he expires this summer I just don't see the scenario where he ends up here.

 

- Baron Davis is injury prone
- Richard Jefferson and Redd are both good but I rather have Josh Smith or Joe Johnson
- Vince Carter will severely screw over our salary cap. As it is he is getting old and not worth his contract
- Kevin Martin is one of the Kings potential franchise player. I doubt they will give him up
- Steve Nash is getting slow and will be a horrible fit for Yao. He fits into more a run and gun offense and the Rockets simply does not fit in that offensive scheme. This is why AB is usually the only one on the other end.
- Manu is injury prone as well and now has TWO bad legs. Last time I checked, he was human and only has two legs so for a guard this is NOT a good thing.

 

why do people continue to insist that teams will want to see that tmac can play at nba level after his rehab?

teams only care about the $23M coming off the books. they dont care if he NEVER plays for them.

 

lol, I have doults that detriot will turn it down too.
But since they are in rebuilding mode, there shall be a chance, if Rip+Prince is too much, maybe Rip+someone else.

 

I think that if TMac is able to play at an NBA level then we can get more out of trading his contract. Rather than having a 23 mil deadweight waiting to be written of the books, they have 23 mil coming off the books and a player who can contribute.

 

- Davis is injury prone but if he is healthy (which he typically is come playoff time) then he fits our needs to a T
- We can't get Smith or Joe Johnson. The Hawks aren't looking to clear cap. They just made the semis.
- Nash is a great fit next to Yao. He can pass and hit his open shots. He is a great decision maker too. No more of that fronting BS with Nash on the team. He can also close games as well.