If PR is truly your concern, then tell me why the Abu Ghraib photos were released publically? Oh, that's right, your only concern is negative PR against the Republicans. Now that's a moral code to follow. no cred...
Before the 20th century, beheading was considered the quickest, least painful method of execution. It is certainly considered much more humane than hanging. For instance, on the guillotine: [rquoter] The basis for the [guillotine]'s success was the belief that it was a humane form of execution, contrasting with the methods used in pre-revolutionary, ancien régime France. In France, before the guillotine, members of the nobility were beheaded with a sword or axe, while commoners were usually hanged, a form of death that could take minutes or longer. [/rquoter] If you are going offer me a lifetime of torture in prison vs. beheading, I will ask, beg, and cajole you to behead me 10 times out of 10. The prospect of decades of unending suffering is much more frightening to me.
by my count, if these numbers are accurate (KSM says they're not) for every 16 people he murdered on 9/11, he got waterboarded one time. i think he got off easy.
Apparently you aren't reading the thread title. If he was waterborded 183 times for 2:30, the average waterbording session would have lasted for less than one second, when it has already been clearly stated that on several occasions they exceded the allowable limit. Your numbers are mathamatically absurd. In any case, you can from KSM's own words figure out what he would prefer as he has stated that he will be pleeding guilty to speed along his own execution.
You know, I have a hard time drumming up any sympathy for one of the 9/11 planners - though I have no desire to see torturing be associated with the US - but you kind of have to figure that after, oh, let's say somewhere around 63 times someone might have figured 'what's the point'.
i read the thread title, and the 183 number makes no sense. if he was waterboarded 183 times, then clearly waterboarding is not that difficult to undergo. reconcile chris hitchen's experience with the 183 number if you can. 183 times makes zero sense.
For those of you wishing simulate waterboarding 183 times - please read this post and try to follow the chain of logic behind it 183 times. Let's see, DOJ memo says X, waterboarding is not hard, therefore recall christopher hitchens = basso is superior. Good god that was horrifying. 182 more times to go....I can't do it, I'll talk.
Calm down everyone. Obviously waterboarding isn't that bad. Especially when this is what they mean by waterboarding. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/2PQH741svy4&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/2PQH741svy4&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Eh. You're probably right. Dunno what to do if they know they'll just be locked up and not forced to give up any info. But again, you're probably right.
I'm sorry; I must have not kept up in my "Logic for Self-Serving Apologists" class in college. You are saying that, because it was difficult to undergo, they can't have done it often? How does one follow from the other? There is no logical a->b there. So are saying the documents from the Justice Department to the CIA were faked by Obama? Why aren't you running with that story? You could scoop the media with your inside proof. Otherwise, how do you reconcile one with the other, or do you just stick your fingers in your ears, scream "I'm not listening", and believe what you want to believe?
As others have said, those that don't necessarily love waterboarding others nearly 200 times aren't supporting the terrorists or any dumb **** like that. I don't think this guy should have even gotten torture but a quick death sentence,.
