Sengun>Mobley

Slapping a color on Turks is a complicated subject, and from a genetic standpoint, entirely differs from a cultural one.

Cultuarally, Turks aren't European, they are steppe peoples from central asia, much like Mongols. Unlike Europe's resident Horse Nomands, the Hungarians, the Turks converted to Islam, putting them outside the bounds of Christendom, the proper definition of western civilization.

Genetically, Turks in central asia (Kazahstan, Turkmenistan, etc) are about on the half-way on the gradient between "White" and "Asian" that exists on the Eurasian continent. Light skin, lighter hair and eyes aren't uncommon, but neither are flatter faces with slited eyes.

Turks in Turkey were a conquering minority that gradually assimilated the Anatolians into being Turkish, much like how most white Americans aren't of Anglo stock, yet speak English and identify as "American". Genetically, Sengun's likely descendant from the same Anatolian farmers present there for thousands of years, and has more in common with Greeks and Italians, while culturally far more in-line with Turkmen and Uzbeks.

 

Could be simplified and connected to basketball.

The standout white athlete are the ones that are average athletically, have a good shot, are scrappy and dive for balls.

Good steady family. Normally a North American white family.

Now there are guys like White Chocolate Jason Williams or Mike Bibby that totally play like the majority of NBA players.

Usually when you talk about European players, they are a different breed of players, if you ignore their skin color.

Aussie players like Delladova/Bogut also play extremely hard.

 

That's absolutely right. All nomadic peoples of the world can be extremely violent when they need to be.
I must confess I put in the "very proud and very vindictive riders of the steppes" bit as a joke. (I'm only 1/4 proud and vindictive, the rest is 1/4 quick tempered and averse to criticism, and 1/2 obstinate and quarrelsome.)
I have always used Tartar in English while I would call myself Tatar in Turkish. In fact this might be the first time I'm hearing (reading) Tatar used by a Westerner. I believe Tartar originates from Latin and Tatar from Old (Asian) Turkish. I think it's an age thing (old man, old books) and Tatar is relatively new. Hey, I come from times when there was no such thing as kebab - you had kabob instead.

 

Maybe it's because basketball has always been a club sport in Europe, mostly dominated by East European coaches who cherish their systems. (Very intense and very touchy guys who constantly demand perfection.)
Most European players have no problem remembering and executing 47 overlapping plays, but if they're asked to improvise they will hardly dazzle you.
I see some of this in Alperen too. While he can frequently make a play, he can't really thrive under such a hands-off coach as Silas.

 

I have encountered blond Turkish folks.

I find that normal tourists only know about the beach resorts and Istanbul which is the bridge between the continents therefore I slapped that term onto it.

You have the picture of the Great Osmanian Empire, Constantinople and what people then looked like.

I watched Bal (a movie) and know about Anatolia myself.

And the Syrians have to pass Turkey on their way to Europe, it is hard to tell a Syrian who are more Arabic looking for the foreign eye.

But true, if some people do not feel Asian, that is totally fine with me, not judging, it was a geographical term.

 

I mean.... we could've had both. OKC was anxious to trade Sengun and Mobley clearly pairs well with another big.

 

This math is not correct. This doesn't mean they're +.6 per 100 with Wood+Sengun and no Tate. This means they're probably around -13.5 with Wood and Sengun with no Tate. I'll give you a short example with round numbers to try to illustrate, I'll spare anyone who isn't interested in a math lesson and hide it in a spoiler.

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Assume 100 pace to make this easier (100 poss in 48 minutes)

Let Wood/Sengun be -10 in 144 minutes (300 possessions)
Let Wood/Sengun/Tate be -12.0 in 48 minutes (100 possessions)

That means Wood/Sengun have played 300 possessions together and have been outscored by 30 points total during these minutes (10 per 100). Wood/Sengun/Tate have played 100 possessions together and have been outscored by 12 points (12 per 100).

If we know Sengun/Wood have played 300 possessions together, and 100 of them have been with Tate, then we know Wood/Sengun WITHOUT Tate have been on the court for 200 possessions. In the 300 total possessions they've been outscored by 30, and in the Tate possessions they've been outscored by 12, therefore the Wood/Sengun without Tate possessions they've been outscored by 18. If they're outscored by 18 in 200 possessions that's a net rating of -9.

 

Worst halftime show

 

If this team can get Jabari Smith ... OMG.
Sengün, Garuba and Smith, we could be talking about the beginning of something really great.

 

If he had played as much as him and had a great playmaker like Rubio next to him, he would have proven to be a much better player than he was. He had already shown it in the Summer League. Houston owes him a ROY.

 

who is jabbari smith? is he related to jabbari parker the bust who was hyped to high heavens together with andrew wiggins back in 2014?
if so i would pass, if not ill pass too.... i am not here for mediocrity...THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR WINNING...

 

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PS I dont even watch mobley play... theres no need to, senguns highlights are everything!

 

That's right. We have no TV or internet over here.
I for one watch my aquarium as an NBA broadcast substitute. Named one of my goldfish Alpi. He's great!

 

So where do the black american athletes normally come from?

 

sengun was a defensive menace at the start of the season until silasses coaching started to sink in
what kind of coach doesnt build upon that awesome start and let his confidence grow, instead he punished him for being so AWESOME and transformed a former MVP into a problematic player that has troubles staying on the court

 

We need to get Wood out of here ASAP he’s blocking Sengun.

 

what if you do trade wood and silas still doesnt play Sengun?
you never know with silas and its not like similar thing didnt already happen when half rotation was out and alphi still got only crumbles of PT

@DeBeards

btw imho its easier first to get rid of silas then rush with the wood trade....coaches of his caliber are dime a dozen... wood is precious and talented lets first get a look at him with a capable coach