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Send JVG a message: Let Yao pass

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RocketScientist, Jul 25, 2006.

  1. edc

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    The lack of championships on a team he has coached is particularly telling.
     
  2. fnn2097

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    Yah i agree with you. Let yao pass the ball!!!! He is a dominant player no question, but when he gets double team, its hard for him to make a move and score. At that time, he must look over his opposition and find his Guards/forwards who are open to make a 3 or an easy 2. The opponents will have a tough time dealing with him, since the double team strategy will allow open jumpers. If they don't double him, then Yao will punish whoever is marking him.
     
  3. Mack

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    YAO... SHALL NOT....PASS!!!!
     
  4. E Wizzle

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    Um... That already happens. In fact, Yao could find the outside shooter with ease. It's just that no one could knock down an open shot consistently last year.

    What makes you think JVG discourages Yao from passing out of double teams? Most of the time, it was more beneficial for Yao to attack the basket regardless of the double team than it was to pass it out for a clank.
     
  5. E Wizzle

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    Since I can't edit my previous post, I just want to add, it doesn't make sense that JVG wants outside shooters at every position, even the 4 if he didn't want Yao to pass out. Think about it man.
     
  6. Matt78777

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    how about letting yao take an outside jumper once in a while? It would open up his post game and he would be a great trailer on a fast break (since we know he wouldn't be leading the way). If I had it my way, I'd even let him hang out at the three point line a little bit to give tracy some space to operate. When Tracy kicks it back out to an outside shooter, you have to think yao probably shoots better than half the team anyway from out there. I would rather have him take a three than alston.
     
  7. E Wizzle

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    Open his post game how? You just suggested he be a spot up shooter at certain junctures in the game. If the team playing the way it should be, there will be no situation where Yao needs to take the outside shot because of defenses swarming the inside. Why make Yao more like Brad Miller? That's what I don't get.... You have one of the top 3 back to the basket low post players in the league and you want to take away his greatest strength by making him take long range jumpshots which any Euro stiff can do. Yao's aware enough that he can move out of the way when T.Mac drives and it's a dual threat since the defenders have to choose between leaving Yao to provide help defense (which T.Mac would hit with a pass easily) or letting McGrady have more freedom in the paint.

    A long jumper as a trailer? That's fine, but it's a horrible path to go down if you design plays that take Yao out of his optimal playing area in a halfcourt setting.
     
  8. Yetti

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    I have watched every Yao Ming game as a Rocket and you are right about Bob Sura but I am NOT confusing him with Alston. Alston rarely passes to Yao Ming, especially when he is in a scoring position and calling for the ball. He takes the ball to the opposite side and when Yao Ming adjusts & follows him to the other side. Mostly,Yao only gets the ball when Alston defers to another player on the wing who is willing to pass the ball into Yao Ming. This situation was repeated so many times that any Yao Ming fan would have it recorded permanently in his grey matter.
     
  9. dfwrox

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    You seems to describe a set play Rox likes to play, maybe due to its success rate, rather than some personal thing between Rafer and Yao?? :confused: :confused:
     
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    They should check Rick Adelman to be an assistant coach and implement his offense. We have the tools to run it plus 2 things the Kings never had, a guy(T-Mac) who could take over the game when the others begin to play stiff(and please don't compare him to Bibby), and a top 3 defense. Yao and T-Mac are far beyond Webber and Peja in their primes.
     
  11. GRENDEL

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    I swear your like a record that is constantly skipping on the same line, don't you get tired of writing the same thing over and over again?
     
  12. Mav-Hater

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    After looking at more GF, Yao's lack of passes seem to be due to the fact that movement and cutting to the basket have been taken out of this offense. Under Rudy, Cat and SF cut through the lane and were available to receive those passes. Also, back picks for Cato to receive lobs are also gone because we don't have a pf with that ability and during the short time we did, we certainly didn't utilize that ability with any set plays. Cutting is a foreign term in the JVG offensive scheme and it is what used to open up opportunities for Yao to make those creative passes and handoffs. It's hard to say if he limits Yao's passing as the offensive scheme does that just fine on its own but he definitely limits his shooting from the outside. In the JVG offense, like Miami with Shaq, Yao will continue to have low assist totals because his first pass rarely leads to a bucket. The swing to the weak side leads to the bucket and that is usually one or two passes later.
     
  13. OddsOn

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    Two years and thats still the best you can come up with? LOL

    that argument holds true for 95% of the coaches in the league. Lets see how many rings your man PJ gets without riding the coat tails of Michael Jordan of Shaq.
     
  14. edc

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    Does Mister Van Gundy ever get tired of failing in the playoffs, and limiting the offensive potential of the players on his teams? It must be because he doesn't "let" his teams win championships.

    Unfortunately it remains as true as it has ever been. Fortunately whatever the man "lets" or "doesn't let" his players do will soon be some other franchise's problem.
     
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    It's only 90%, get it right.
     
  16. edc

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    Too bad the Rockets couldn't have one of those guys...hey...waitaminute!
     
  17. RocketScientist

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    Thats what I'm talking about. Hire a legitimate offense minded coach as an assistant. I have hoped for the last three years that JVG would pan out as a decent offensive coach, tried to believe all the people who said it was the injuries and bone-headed players screwing up the system, but alas... the truth is that JVG does not understand how to orchestrate an effective offense. The only offense he runs is one that complements his defensive schemes.

    Thats right my hate-filled friend. This is definitely one of the major problems. There are no targets for Yao to dish to. Its hard to be creative with passes when your coach does not recognize your ability to be one of the best passing big men of all time and therefore does nothing to gere his offensive sets around getting people open shots around you.
     
  18. Mav-Hater

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    Amen!!!! And the truth shall set you free :D
     
  19. ima_drummer2k

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    Once Yao came back from his toe surgery last year, he turned into the most dominant center in the game. Why would you want him to pass more?

    Frankly, I don't want him passing to anyone except for TMac.
     
  20. Mav-Hater

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    It's called getting easy baskets. When your man doubles the post and you cut in behind with a good passing big man it makes for easy high percentage shots. In this offense, when the double team comes, the player drops back and stands at the three point line and awaits the swing pass to come around for a low percentage shot. When these fall, you have a decent looking offense. When they don't, you have the 77 point abortions you see way too often with the ROX. Those dunks and layups from cutters makes it even harder to double team Yao and Tracy and make them even more dominant. When the double comes, which it will because he is way more dominant than he was, the question is do you want a shot taken off his direct pass that we have a 65% chance of success at making or do you want to see three passes that lead to rushed buzzer beater by T-Mac that has less than a 35% chance of success. It is why the Lakers were so dominant with Kareem in the post. They cut off of him every time they doubled down. If you don't double, Kareem scores 40, if you do, you hold him to 25 and everybody else scores. It is a concept as easy and as old as the game itself. I personally would like to see T-mac cutting the lane behind the Yao doubles and posterizing people instead of him trying to beat the clock 3 out of 5 plays.
     

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