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Send in the Clowns: DNC uses Russian ships to honor US Military

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  1. basso

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    Russian ships displayed at DNC tribute to vets

    By Sam Fellman - Staff writer
    Posted: Tuesday Sep 11, 2012 17:16:10 EDT


    On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.

    But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.

    While retired Adm. John Nathman, a former commander of Fleet Forces Command, honored vets as America’s best, the ships from the Russian Federation Navy were arrayed like sentinels on the big screen above.

    These were the very Soviet-era combatants that Nathman and Cold Warriors like him had once squared off against.

    “The ships are definitely Russian,” said noted naval author Norman Polmar after reviewing hi-resolution photos from the event. “There’s no question of that in my mind.”

    Update

    DNC apologizes for use of Russian ships

    Naval experts concluded the background was a photo composite of Russian ships that were overflown by what appear to be U.S. trainer jets. It remains unclear how or why the Democratic Party used what’s believed to be images of the Russian Black Sea Fleet at their convention.

    A spokesman for the Democratic National Convention Committee was not able to immediately comment Tuesday, saying he had to track down personnel to find out what had happened.

    The veteran who spotted the error and notified Navy Times said he was immediately taken aback.

    “I was kind of in shock,” said Rob Barker, 38, a former electronics warfare technician who left the Navy in 2006. Having learned to visually identify foreign ships by their radars, Barker recognized the closest ship as the Kara-class cruiser Kerch.

    “An immediate apology [from the committee] would be very nice,” Barker said. “Maybe acknowledge the fact that yes, they screwed up.”

    The background — featured in the carefully choreographed hour leading up to the president’s Sept. 6 speech accepting the Democratic Party’s nomination — showed four ships with radar designs not used in the U.S. fleet.

    For example, the ship in the foreground, on the far right, has a square radar antenna at the top of its masthead. That is the MR-700 Podberezovik 3-D early warning radar, commonly identified as “Flat Screen” for its appearance, a three-dimensional early warning radar mounted on the Kerch, said Eric Wertheim, editor of “Combat Fleets of the World.”

    Similarly, the third ship has a MR-310 “Head Net” air search radar, shaped like two off-set bananas, at its masthead and is mostly likely the guided missile destroyer Smetlivyy. The first two ships seem to be Krivak-class frigates, but it’s hard to discern from the silhouette, experts said.

    But the fact they are Russian ships is not in doubt. In addition to the ship’s radar arrays and hulls, which are dissimilar from U.S. warships, the photo features one more give-away: a large white flag with a blue ‘X’ at the ships’ sterns.

    Polmar, who authored “The Naval Institute Guide to the Soviet Navy,” recognized the blue ‘X’-mark: “The X is the Cross of St. Andrew’s, which is a Russian Navy symbol,” Polmar said. (An anchored U.S. warship, by contrast, flies the American flag on its stern.)

    Based on this specific group of these ship types, one naval expert concluded that this was most likely a photo of the Black Sea Fleet.

    “Ships are all Black Sea Fleet,” A. D. Baker III, a retired Office of Naval Intelligence analyst, told Navy Times after looking at the image. “These four ships, at the time the photo was taken, constituted the entire major surface combatant component of the Black Sea Fleet,” Baker said, noting the photo was likely to be six years old or older. (The Kerch is now on the list to be scrapped, Baker said.)

    Barker, the former sailor who first spotted the errors, believes the seven aircraft streaking by are F-5 jets, a trainer used by the U.S. Navy. Asked to explain how he reached that conclusion, the former airplane spotter ticked off a list: “Twin engine, single rudder, with hard points on the wingtips, with that silhouette is going to make them F-5s.”

    http://www.navytimes.com/mobile/new...arships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    this is the best counter attack the GOP has left. Attack dems on the errors in their prop backgrounds.

    Nothing of substance.
     
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    I forget - how did the Republicans honor our military during their convention?
     
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    We saw how they honored them from 2001-2009.
     
  5. KingCheetah

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    <marquee>GAME CHANGER</marquee>
     
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    This is a non-issue. Plenty of matters of substance to address. Repubs look bad reaching this low.

    <marquee>Thanks for showing me how to do this, KC. The only reason I replied to this thread was to get this code. And now, this: "There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the blackest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces. And even if he for ever flies within the gorge, that gorge is in the mountains; so that even in his lowest swoop the mountain eagle is still higher than other birds upon the plain, even though they soar."
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    <blink>NO PROBLEM</BLINK>
     
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    <marquee>ERMAGHEEEERD TIS IS EEERRWSEEEERME</marquee>
     
  9. Yung-T

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    <marquee>TEXT HIGH AS FUKK, MOVIN AND ****</marquee>

    <marquee>LMAO GREAT THREAD BASSO</marquee>
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    <marquee>Wow, this is awesome. How long until it's so overused we all want to kill KingCheetah for ever showing it to us?</marquee>
     
  11. GRENDEL

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    <marquee>I don't think it's going to take long, just a matter time, already starting to reach a certain level of over use for no apparent reason. Still I've seen meme over used to death on here so it might have a chance to stick around...</marquee>
     
  12. CrazyDave

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    <marquee>It's happened before. He uses it sparingly and it elicits the same reaction for a limited time, waits a while, then busts it out again all fresh like.

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    c'mon Sweet Lou..you gotta admit its kinda funny. I don't think this is a "GOP Attack"..its just funny article pointing out a mistake. It doesn't make me think less of the Democrats..just less about the one or two people that chose the pictures. Partisan politics aside it is humorous.

    But you do have to admit if this were the RNC..it would end up as a meme all over Reddit and Facebook.
     
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    Too funny!!!!!! I can just imagine the reaction had the Republicans done this.
     
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