Selling the Morning After Pill Over the Counter-----

does this include 13 yr olds? 15? 18?

over the counter is over the counter
children can buy aspirin over the counter
this would be no different

Rocket River

 

MORALITY

n. pl. mo·ral·i·ties
The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality; Christian morality.
Virtuous conduct.
A rule or lesson in moral conduct.

the funny thing with the Pro Abortion crowd is they often
FORCE THEIR MORALITY ON MEN

They feel that is RIGHT that a man take care of his child
if a man does not agree . . . F*CK HIM . . FORCE HIM
he gets NO CHOICE

HOWEVER
If you think it is wrong for a woman to have a child she laid
down and conceive of her own free will . . . .. WELL YOU FORCING
YOUR MORALITY ON HER . . . .

Hypocrazy

Rocket River

 

The woman is certainly forcing the baby to die though. If a woman does not want to have a child, she should make that choice before the baby is conceived.

 

Can we just file this under "Things I never needed to know about you?"

YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!

 

Wow...and NONE of these are available without the consult of a physician. Yet you insist that the morning after pill be. What makes it different, or more to the point, more safe than the others you listed?

 

Actually, if it were me insisting, I would say that all of those methods (with the exception of IUD and the implants) should be available on demand. I think it would be better if pharmacists could sell it so that some basic education can take place, but more available birth control will reduce unwanted pregnancies, which will reduce abortions, which we all agree would be a good thing.

It is unbelieveable to me that the same people who claim that they want to eliminate abortions are shunning the means to work toward that very goal.

 

It should include anyone who is sexually active. I believe some basic education would be necessary, but if a woman is sexually active, she should have a wide variety of contraceptive methods to choose from.

 

That is what the drug in question does. It stops the woman from ever becoming pregnant in the first place.

And as far as I am concerned, as cold as it sounds, until the woman decides that she wants to bear and raise a child, what happens to the fetus is between her and her doctor. It is not a life until the mother decides to use her life to nurture it. It is a health care issue, not an issue to be decided by congressmen, judges, and police.

 

One glaring difference is the fact that the morning after pill is a one-shot deal. The woman takes it, it goes through her system and it's gone. It presents a very limited window of time for a woman to watch for adverse reactions, etc...

Everything else you mentioned (pills, IUD, implants, shots, patch) all constitute a consistent, ongoing change in a woman's body and, therefore, may require more careful, long-term monitoring by a health care provider.

 

What d*mn Pharmacy are you going to .?????
Basic Ed???? Walgreens . . . .

it is OVER THE COUNTER . . this means they NEVER SEE THE PHARMACY
this means it is ON THE AISLE WITH ASPIRIN

So you goto TARGET or WAL MART . . . pick it up
and then pay for it at the Cashier that makes less than 8$ an hour


So *where* does this *basic* education come into play????

And what do you consider *basic* education

Being a Cashier at Target or Walmart requires more than a *BASIC* education
yet
we ok with a *BASIC* education about the reproductive situation?

Rocket River
I would suggest that they get more than a *BASIC* education
with something so important

 

So the child has NO RIGHTS until it exits the womb

ALSO, It seems conception and pregnancy are two different things
to you. . . . what do you consider 'pregnant'
At what point is a woman 'pragnant'

My equation of this is simple.
Potential Life > inconvience
Potential Life < Actual Life

I.e. If the woman's life is threatened her life take precedence
IF her life is not threaded the potential life takes precedence over mere inconvience

AndyMoon - do you beleive men should be able to terminate parental responsibility the this point too??? When can a man terminate his parental responsibilities????? Please let me know.

Rocket River

 

Sorry, bad choice of words. I think that they SHOULD get basic education which could be done if we required pharmacists to sell it rather than pure OTC. However, that is probably not possible under the system we have.

However, Mrs. JB made a great point. This pill is a one shot deal where those other methods of birth control are long term and require a doctor's care.

Education SHOULD be done by the schools, but such education is opposed (oddly enough) by many of the same people who want to restrict access to contraceptives. What we should have is a comprehensive strategy to educate people, especially young people, about reproduction and contraception. This pill would be one more tool available to those who choose to have sex and do not want ot have children.

 

LSD could be a one shot thing that bites ya in the *ss years later

It is not that they oppose Sex Ed
but they would like a BIG OLE DOSE OF ABSTINANCE
PREACHED EARLY AND OFTEN
AND THEN SOME MORE
Teachers putting condoms on cucumbers with her mouth is a *wee* bit over the line

Most don't want homosexual sex taugh . .. some may not oral taught

I think it should be taught at home
however
society must cover for the parents that are lacking
so school is the next option.
I think that parents should have the option to put their
kids in it or not .. . if they don't want their kids in it. . . their kids should not be in it.

I do not think any child should get ANY medication without parental
consent [aspirin etc MAYBE]
D*MN sure should not be getting any Contraceptives
without parental consent
I think it should be like Tobacco Products
16 and up to buy . . otherwise your parents should have to supply you


Rocket River

 

What if the woman never decides she wants to bear and raise a child? What if she is in a coma during her pregnancy and only comes out of the coma while she is going into labor? Can she then kill the newborn infant because she didn't feel like having a baby. You think pro-lifers have a weird conception of when life begins, yet you think it depends on the whim of the mother. That is insane.

Pregnancy is the most natural thing in the world. Is it really asking so much that a woman who made the choice to get pregnant not murder her baby for nine months and instead just wait and put it up for adoption. No one is forcing her to be financially responsible for the baby, or to give up her life raising it, just don't kill it.

Finally, abortion (in the vast majority of cases) is not a health care issue. No harm will come to the mother by carrying the baby to term. Abortion is no more a health care issue than the death penalty.

 

I HATE these debates, but just on these points...

First, you are making the assumption that there was a choice made to be pregnant. Not everyone chooses it.

Also, there is a tremendous amount of debate surrounding the woman's responsibility to bear the pregnancy but not a single mention of the father. There is a VERY high percentage of women who choose abortion who do not have the support of the man who impregnated them and there is VERY little support for women in the legal system with regard to forcing the fathers to be involved. Only recently have laws been inacted to nudge fathers in the responsible direction. They still fall woefully short of what is necessary to force them into dealing with a problem they helped to create.

As for this not being a health care issue, I assume you don't consider post-pardem depression, separation anxiety, long-term guilt, emotional distress of the child or any other psychological issues that arrise to be that important, nevermind the healthcare issues that are sure to arise if the child or mother suffer complications from carrying the pregnancy to term. In many cases, the pregnancy itself is costly to the mother in terms of healthcare, lost wages and numerous other issues. Nevermind the health issues for the child especially if the woman has no health insurance.

It isn't a simple issue on either side of the argument. I don't mind the disagreement over abortion. Everyone has a right to believe what they want. I just find it incredibly short sided to simply ignore the complications that are not only possible but are often common in high risk and unwanted pregnancies.

 

Listen to your language
it ain't right to FORCE a woman to be responsible for her choice
to lay down and perform an act that she knows can produce a child
BUT
It is ok to force the man in the same situation to do something?

Men's right a WOEFULLY inadequate

While you berate men for lack of responsibility . . . Abortion
is EXACTLY the same thing

Rocket River

 

MY language? All I said is that men should be held equally responsible for the child they conceive as the women who must carry that child. Do you disagree with that statement?

I just don't get your attitude. "Be responsible for her choice to lay down and perform an act that she knows can produce a child???" Last time I checked, it required the participation of a man to actually make that happen. Maybe you know something I don't.

I said the laws are woefully inadequate at forcing men into being part of the pregnancy they helped to create. They ARE. There are very few resources a woman can emply to force a man to pay child support and almost NO WAY to force a man into helping with the pregnancy - to pay the healthcare bills, etc.

I'm not suggesting that abortion is the answer in every case. What I'm saying is that everyone here seems to think that most pregnancies happen under ideal circumstances. Many that result in abortion simply do not. There is this call for women to carry their pregnancies to term but absolutely no support for them to do so - no universal healthcare, no support for women who are unable to work during their pregnancy, no laws to hold the father as accountable as the mother.

What I'm saying is that there needs to be accountability on all sides of the issue. This is not something simply reserved for women who get pregnant. If we want the problem solved, it is up to men, women and the whole of society to fix it.

I know it is much more convenient to just say, "Damn irresponsible women" and let it go. But, if you actually want the problem solved and solutions in place that actually work, it is going to take more than just placing wholesale blame on one person in the equation.

 

I believe that the morning after pill is much more dangerous than the ongoing pill. This is a heavy concentration of hormones. The fact that it is a one time hormone rush can lead to some very untoward reactions in certain persons. Quite often, reactions to hormones cannot be detected very easily by watching for warning signs. They happen suddenly.

 

Actually, the morning after pill IS the ongoing birth control pill. It's just several days worth of dosages taken at one time. I'm not sure that this qualifies as a "heavy" concentration of hormones.