Selling the Morning After Pill Over the Counter-----

Or drastically increase them, depending upon your view.

 

it's not a moral argument at all...it's an argument about when human life begins.

 

I know I've said this before, but I think the "brain wave" argument is the best definition, even though that would mean Ann Coulter may now be aborted at any time.

 

And your argument is that human life begins even BEFORE the embryo is implanted?

If that is the case then every fertilized egg that doesn't implant itself is an abortion and should be considered a crime, right?

Do y'all want to decrease the prevalence of abortion or would you rather rail on about "the principal" whilst getting nothing done?

 

If this is true, we should all stock our bedrooms with a some of these. That way in case of breakage, you'll have a backup plan that gives you some piece of mind. I've sweated out some girls getting their periods before, and it's f'n hectic.

 

i'm saying that it's a legitimate argument...shared by many...that conception is a good starting place for when messing with it should be off-limits.

if an egg doesn't implant itself...for natural reasons...then why would that be criminal? no one is seeking to outlaw things beyond our own control...miscarriages happen with great frequency, with no fault at all.

you're talking about managing the number of abortions...understand that when you're arguing with people on the other end of the spectrum on this argument, there are those who feel that's a human life being taken. so it's nonsensical to say, "well we can dramatically decrease the number of abortions in this country by letting these people kill their babies earlier." that rings absolutely hollow.

i don't know when a life absolutely becomes a life...because i don't know, i tend to stick with the "play it safe" crowd that shudders at the thought that i MIGHT be terminating a human life.

 

Remember...the chick wanted "some" at the time as well.

 

The reason I'm surprised this OTC morning after pill is gonna be available is because all the condom makers didn't lobby against it tooth and nail. I mean it's only a matter of time before Trojan's put outta business when Average Joe out there figures out that carrying this pill in his wallet instead of Magnum is a hell of a lot more convenient, not to mention less constricting.

 

And then sexually transmitted diseases go through the roof.

 

understand that when you're arguing with people on the other end of the spectrum on this argument, there are those who feel that's a human life being taken. so it's nonsensical to say, "well we can dramatically decrease the number of abortions in this country by letting these people kill their babies earlier." that rings absolutely hollow.

So you are not a big fan of IUDs either?

 

Good point. Either way, Trojan's suck. They break easily, and I've since switched to Lifestyles w/spermicide, because I'm not taking anymore chances.

 

Well I guess that's the 2nd reason I'm surprised this pill is becoming so readily available.

 

Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Pooperman, we salute you.

 

i actually learned here that some birth control pills allow an egg to be fertilized, but then keep it from attaching. i learned that about a year ago. my wife's doctor never shared that with us. since that time, we've strayed from birth control pills.

 

PHARMACIST: Can I help you?

MRS. MAX (with little hope): Yeah, do you have any Today sponges? I know they're off the market, but...

PHARMACIST: Actually, we have a case left.

MRS. MAX (excited): A case! A case of sponges? I mean, uh...a case. Huh. Uh...how many come in a case?

PHARMACIST: Sixty.

MRS. MAX: Sixty?! Uh...well, I'll take three.

PHARMACIST: Three.

MRS. MAX: Make it ten.

PHARMACIST: Ten?

MRS. MAX: Twenty sponges should be plenty.

PHARMACIST: Did you say twenty?

MRS. MAX: Yeah, twenty-five sponges is just fine.

PHARMACIST: Right. So, you're set with twenty-five.

MRS. MAX: Yeah. Just give me the whole case and I'll be on my way.

 

that is classic!!! i love that episode!

 

That is the real point. We DO have a measure of control now. We can prevent a woman from getting pregnant in the first place. That is infinitely better than an abortion at any point and no different than an egg that fails to implant or a woman who ovulates too close to menstruation. We are talking about BIRTH CONTROL being used to manage rates of abortion. This is what we should be doing to address the problems that many people have with abortion. We need to increase the birth control options to include coverage of as many people as possible.

What rings hollow is your claims about wanting to decrease abortions. There is a golden opportunity to allow more people to use birth control rather than being forced to choose what to do with an unwanted pregnancy. Following your argument, the pill and IUDs should be outlawed, as should the patch, shot, and implants. All of these birth control methods allow an egg to be fertilized but not implanted. We should have MORE access to birth control if we are to reduce abortion rates.

The point should be to make the decision as soon as is humanely possible. Many women choose ahead of time by taking the pill, many choose at the time with a condom or diaphragm, why shouldn't they be able to choose IMMEDIATELY after the fact (the drug has to be taken very soon after sexual contact) with a drug that will do the same job as the pill you take every day?

 

What rings hollow is your claims about wanting to decrease abortions. There is a golden opportunity to allow more people to use birth control rather than being forced to choose what to do with an unwanted pregnancy. Following your argument, the pill and IUDs should be outlawed, as should the patch, shot, and implants. All of these birth control methods allow an egg to be fertilized but not implanted. We should have MORE access to birth control if we are to reduce abortion rates.


I don't think MadMax is really interested in reducing abortion rates as much as reducing the number of potential lives being "killed". If you believe that the morning-after pill kills a potential life, then it's no different than abortion in that respect. If having the pill more easily available causes people not to use true birth control as much, then it would seem to be counter to his interests to want the morning after pill easily available, because that increases the number of lives being "killed".


I can't speak for Max of course, but that would be my thought process.

 

We should have MORE access to birth control if we are to reduce abortion rates.

If desire, though, is to truly prevent pregnancies, why is there no push to get the pill, etc. made available as an over-the-counter product rather than by prescription as is currently the case?

Why do we start with the morning after pill?

While I'm relatively sure that you would also support more ready access to the pill, etc. that doesn't appear to be on the agenda of the people who are backing this lessening of regulation on the morning after pill. And that makes me wonder why.