Martin for Granger is the epitome of a lateral move and is the exact opposite of what LTF and others in this thread have been suggesting as far as direction goes. The point is to get ourselves out of this 'no All-Star but a bunch of really good role players = 42-44 wins' direction-less funk we're in. Granger won't get us out of there. And I've been on record as saying that this current group (with Adelman's system in place) isn't THAT far away from being playoff-caliber, but it's clear we're moving in a different direction as far as philosophy goes so this 'rebuilding on the fly' thing needs to happen. What better way to do that than make a play for the #2 pick in the draft? Especially when Kanter and Derrick Williams are potential franchise players at our two worst positions (assuming, of course, Williams projects as a three).
Williams is an undersized PF. He's like Beasley with maybe a better post game but not as quick and doesn't have the handles B-Ez has. And remember, Beasley played PF for Miami and that didn't work out.
Williams will play the 3 in the NBA. He's quicker and shorter than at least a third of the 3s in the NBA. Marcus Morris is a 3 also. If we can't get Williams, I'm interested in getting Marcus.
Yeah, I just don't see any of these guys ever being franchise players. Such a long shot. Thing is a lot of fans in favor of trading Martin ultimately want the Rockets to suck enough, so that in a couple years we'll hopefully get that sure-thing superstar draft pick. They'd be fine letting Martin go for virtually nothing, much less a second pick in the draft. So yeah, the actual likelihood of any of these prospects becoming franchise players has really no bearing on their decision to trade Martin.
I'm familiar with his game and I agree he looks more like a four. All the same, people that are much smarter than you or I are paid to evaluate these players. If Dork Elvis comes out and says "This guy is an NBA three" then that's good enough for me.
After watching a team like the Mavs these PlayOffs, I don't think we can ever compete with our current line up. It doesn't matter if we blow this team up or not because either way we just can't compete with a team like the Mavs.
I like your post. However, why would Howard want to come to Houston? Will we have enough left to interest him? I'm sure he wants to in a place where he is not the only real star.
I love K-mart but this team is garbage and in limbo. We need to realize this before we turn into the Astros (No Future or present). Blow it up. Keep Lowry and the young guys. The only Player the Rocket should pick at #3 is Kanter. We need a premium Center and he is it.
Doesn't look like anybody can compete with them right now. So, that statement doesn't mean anything. But our team jelled at the end of the season. We were missing a legit center and some say we were missing a superstar. I happen to believe that if we simply had a center, we would have competed very well, and if we had a legit center and a rangy, defensive minded SF that could run the floor like a gazelle, finish, and shoot the 3 efficiently, that we would be right there with the Thunder and Mavs.
Well of course noone's advocating that. Everyone's going to suggest trading him for something first. The question is when that doesn't pan out, how low are people willing to go? I really got the impression that some fans want to get out of "mediocrity" at all costs, and Martin is probably the main player keeping that from happening. Didn't think it was outrageous to suggest that some fans here would be happy trading Martin for nothing more than a lot more ping pong balls next year, rather than keep him because we couldn't get a high lottery pick in return and finish 14th again.
I'm much more in favor of trading Scola. He's older and we already have a pretty good rotation at that postition. For everyone postulating that Martin has already peaked I don't see how you arrive at that conclusion. At the end of this season he played some of the best ball of his career simply by attacking the basket and trying to finish and not just trying to get to the line. His best seasons are still ahead of him. The only problem with Scola is that he will have to go to a contender. A rebuilding is probably not going to show any interest.
THANK YOU! He is NOT that old and his shooting will NOT go away with age. His contract is more than fair for his production. You do not trade this guy for a maybe. This draft is weak and everyone knows it. If he were 31 goin on 32 and was being paid 15 million and this was the 2012 draft class , fine, sign me up, but not this year. All the "experts" may be wrong , but I don't see why we should take that risk in a draft widely regarded as weak and probably contains no franchise players. That's not to say I am totally against trading up in this draft, but I just wouldn't give up Martin, Lowry or Patterson to do it. I really feel like we are gonna see what we can do with these 3 in the next few years. With a complete roster this time hopefully.
The original BYE BYE Kmart thread before all the Chinatown knock offs came around: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=5924579
Because your signature was advocating playing T-Will (it has since changed), and yet you posted that we should keep Martin. Keeping Martin pretty much banishes Williams to the bench forever.
Yeah, and it made you look like DaDakota lite after he dropped a game winner on your head that night. Not many are advocating getting rid of him because he sucks, moreso a business decision.
Uh, the whole point of that thread was convincing people why Scola/KMart should go so the Rockets aren't mired in mediocrity for the next 5 years, expecting guys like Dwight Howard and Chris Paul to join them. It's not about KMart sucking, it's about building a team on top 5 draft picks. It was prophetic and brought many posters (who can read) to tears. It will be bumped when the time is right.
Your thread started out with "he's not a winner" and talked about "need more thugs like Aaron Brooks". Please stop talking.
Sup angry kid... from the first post - And a few posts later: The thread also delved into the value of tanking and building teams around top 5 picks. Just enlightening in general, and this was back in Jan. Now it seems Ronnyball (the art of tanking and trading fringe players) is picking up steam on the BBS and everyone wants a piece of the pie.
