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Selig: Some teams at break point

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by x34, Jul 10, 2002.

  1. Sonny

    Sonny Member

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    How would you implement a cap into the MLB? It would have to be phased in over 3-5yrs right? How did the NBA put there cap in place?
     
  2. NJRocket

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    Im guessing it would take a few yrs...Im not 100% sure but I think when the NBA did it, there wasnt nearly as big of a disparity in what the top and bottom teams spent
     
  3. NYKRule

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    "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....for the 3rd time you are defnding the argument AGAINST you. Of course they wouldnt have gone for those players....I'll do you a favor and list a few... "

    You are an ABSOLUTE MORON.

    They wouldn't have gone for ALL of the players. I didn't say they wouldn't go for ANY. Other teams have the resources, but they don't use them correctly. Thats the difference between a big market team, and the ultimate big market team. If you are too thick to realize it, Mussina has been the worst Yankee starter so far this year. His money hasn't helped.

    "If they could've built a team just as good with $70MM, there's no doubt they would have - $70 million more in profits"

    And that is my point, George wouldn't have went after Rondell, Sterling, Ventura, etc. if he had a 70 million dollar budget. And quite frankly, he wouldn't have to because this team is already damn good enough. even if a hard cap was set before this, they would had Tino, Chuck, and Scotty coming off of the hard cap, and guess what? Thats Giambi+Karsay money right there.




    Oh, and you have exactly one person to blame for this: Babe Ruth
     
  4. NJRocket

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    Bottom line....without the money, the Yankees wouldnt have the resources to stack their team the way they do. Take off your pinstriped glasses for a second and you will see that. Oh and by the way....gimmie a sec...ok, Im done feeling bad for the Yanks and Mussina's 12-3 record at the all star break :rolleyes:

    ok...thats the 4th time you rebutted your own argument...and im a moron??? In response to lopping off big payroll guys, you takea 7th string pitcher making 12 million...a LF making 5 million who is batting 8th and hitting .250 and a 52 year old 3B that will probably retire after this year.:rolleyes:

    and Im a moron..stop please...you are just digging deeper and deeper
     
  5. NYKRule

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    "ok...thats the 4th time you rebutted your own argument...and im a moron??? In response to lopping off big payroll guys, you takea 7th string pitcher making 12 million...a LF making 5 million who is batting 8th and hitting .250 and a 52 year old 3B that will probably retire after this year."

    He doesnt NEED those players, the Yankees don't NEED those players. I repeat, the Yankees DONT NEED those players.

    If they didn't have the money to get them, THEY WOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN THE PLAYERS THEY DONT NEED. The Yankees know these players won't help them as much as the money they make dictates, but because they have the money of course they'll take the chance of taking them. THEY WOULD NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF TAKING THESE PLAYERS IF THEY DIDNT HAVE THE MONEY. Rondell would be sucking elsewhere, as would Robin (short porch is his savior), and Hitchcock would be injured elsewhere. I have NOT rebutted my own argument, you just don't see the fact that the Yankees would not get players they don't need if they didn't have the resources to get them. The Yankees have the top market, the top resources, the top system, the top scouts. Don't blame the Yankees, blame the system, and even if the system changes, they won't be going anywhere, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks.

    Back to Mussina: obviously you haven't cared to look up his god awful ERA, and how many times the Yankees lineup has bailed him out this year.

    News Flash: Sterling Hitchcock does not make 12 million per year
     
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  6. NJRocket

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    This is getting tiresome and frankly..you are no differnt than any other typical Yankee fan.

    We all know that the Yankees dont need those players....but I have a couple of newsflashes for you...lopping of those 3 scrubs (even with their salaries) would not get you even the 120 million dollar mark.

    Now, what other players can you cut down to say 90 million (ill even give yuo 20 million more to work with than Major did) and still succeed the way you have in the past?
     
  7. NJRocket

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    Newsflash...Sterling's contract is for a total of 12 million over 2 years ...GUARANTEED....but thank yuo for pointing that out (#5 rebuttal against yourself)...

    You cut Sterling (6 million)
    Ventura( 4 mill? not really sure)
    White (5 mill)

    you are still at 117 million....carry on
     
  8. NYKRule

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    Did you finally look at Mussina's ERA and game logs and see how many times the Yankees lineup bailed his ass out?

    You are no different than any blind Yankee hater. They don't need players like Ventura, White, etc. They get them so other teams do not get them, and the fact that they can take chances with their payroll.

    Ok cut those bums: Ventura makes about 9 million.

    Cut another bum named Clemens, he can barely go 5-6 innings now. What about Raul Mondesi? They don't even need him, they just got him because...well once again, they can.

    He also stole the Cy Young from either his teammate or the man that can't pitch more than 31 pitches in the all-star game because he'll ruin the Mariners season :rolleyes:

    Wipe Gerald Williams' contract away too.

    Its funny you are making me cut salary while Cashman is probably on the phones right now seeing how he can add to it :eek:
     
  9. NJRocket

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    yes, I looked at how many times his 100 million dollar lineup bailed him out:rolleyes:

    I dont hate the Yankees...I hate the system...again this is the 6th time you rebutted yourself...HOW MANY TEAMS CAN GO SIGN 3 GUYS (WHITE, VENTURA AND HITCHCOCK) FOR A TOTAL OF 26 MILLION DOLLARS JUST SO OTHER TEAMS CANT GET THEM?????
     
  10. NYKRule

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    "HOW MANY TEAMS CAN GO SIGN 3 GUYS (WHITE, VENTURA AND HITCHCOCK) FOR A TOTAL OF 26 MILLION DOLLARS JUST SO OTHER TEAMS CANT GET THEM?????"

    Why, the ultimate big market team of course.

    They didn't sign Ventura. They just raped the Mets of him.

    And the lineup isnt 100 million dollars, although its probably in the 60-75 million range (the lineups that bailed him out, pre-Mondesi move).
     
  11. NJRocket

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    There's #7
     
  12. NYKRule

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    When did I ever say the Yankees aren't a big market team? Tell me.
     
  13. NJRocket

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    You are missing the point (which is becoming more and more painfully obvious)....your response of "why the ultimate big mkt team of course" was answering my question of...

    "HOW MANY TEAMS CAN GO SIGN 3 GUYS (WHITE, VENTURA AND HITCHCOCK) FOR A TOTAL OF 26 MILLION DOLLARS JUST SO OTHER TEAMS CANT GET THEM?????"

    In other words...its ok that only ONE team can do that:rolleyes:
     
  14. NYKRule

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    It is ok. They earned the right to do so, while no other team has.
     
  15. NJRocket

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    Translation ... Where can I throw this white towel?
     
  16. NYKRule

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    I don't have to argue for my Yankees anymore. If you think the Yankees haven't deserved to be generating this much income, then you don't know much about baseball history.
     
  17. Timing

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    The Yanks deserve to generate all the income they can get but it's using that income to outspend other teams that is the problem. It's bizarre that you don't get that.
     
  18. mrpaige

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    New York Times says the Tigers and Devil Rays are the two teams Selig was referring to. Supposedly, the Tigers had to get a loan just to meet payroll this week and may not be able to secure enough cash for next time.
     
  19. Refman

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    For the record, Mussina has a 4.54 ERA. That is not an inflated ERA in the AL this year. It is about average. NYK you made it sound like the guy was Jose Lima or something.

    And you're no different than Kenny Smith trying to explain the NBA labor situation a few years ago.

    Really? I wonder if they'd be holding off the BoSox without them... :rolleyes:

    Do you actually know the guy you're berating? If not why are you making assumptions about his intelligence and knowledge of baseball? Civility gentlemen.
     
  20. Hydra

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    I think they would just play Coomer at third until Henson is ready, and White doesn't even start.
     

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