T's comment may have been over the line, but it had a point, to show you that hoping for someone's death is offensive. I don't think anyone on this board would read that comment, and seriously believe that he truly hoped you would get cancer and no longer live. But since you seem to be justifying people doing exactly that, he thought he'd see how consistent you were with that belief. You responded by lying.
I give this thread 2 thumbs up. TSchmal's point went right over your head. And you outed yourself as the liar that was obvious to all. Awesome thread!
1. But a message on a Facebook fan page is supposed to be taken as a serious threat? How easily is the IP traced? You can try to make a mountain out of a molehill but you may not succeed... 2. Even so, the president of the United States is a public figure. All presidents, if not all elected public officials, get that treatment. Anti-Sonic showed us how it has been around at least since President Bush... You're not too good with nuance either, are you? Here are the synonyms: —Synonyms 1. subtlety, nicety, hint, refinement. I was demonstrating the possible bad outcomes by his imposing that outcome on someone. It's not so much that I thought he really meant it, I thought it was a reckless thing to say because you never know... I guess since he said it but didn't mean it he's lying, too? Is that the way this reduction by stupidity works or is it stupidity by reduction? Anyway, I'm done with this conversation. I'm off to serve dinner to my friend Bobby who's been battling rectal cancer for 3.5 years. He spent St. Patrick's Day split open at UNC Memorial Hospital where they removed his bladder, his anus and irradiiated him while splayed upon the operating table. I know that Bobby would tell us all the humor is a great aid in battling Cancer, but I know he would draw the line at wishing it upon someone. I've made Giddyup's Greek Chicken, home made Macaroni and Cheese, Broccoli Salad, Waldorf Salad and Black Raspberry Jello for Bobby, his wife and their four kids. Bon Apetit...
I tried to imply before that if you don't want to call it lying, you don't have to. It was completely dishonest whether you lied or not. You played on people's sympathies, and it's no wonder people feel angry about that. You may not have meant to do that to people, but you did, and the reason it happened was your dishonesty. Whether you call it a lie or not, the result is the same.
I have never met anyone, on the internet or IRL, who has a harder time admitting he was wrong than giddyup.
Rest of the bbs: You were lying. giddy: I wasn't lying, I just wasn't telling the truth. That isn't lying. rest of the bbs: posting a prayer for Obama to die, is wishing he was dead. giddy: They don't want Obama to die, that just means they disagree with his political philosphy
Played on people's sympathies? To what end? The only "people" I cared about was TSchmal. I wanted him to feel embarrassed by what he wished on someone... but no he's a keyboard warrior who has no need (by his own admission) to show anyone any respect. If he had come right back as he should have and said "I'm sorry; that was over the line," I would have let the cat out of the bag and this would have been nothing but a successful ploy to help someone realize the consequences of their own reckless and arrogant style. I am oh so sorry if some of you felt "sorry" for me for a few days. I did feel the good vibes!
Rest of BBS? So the BBS is me, you, TSchmal, Bruce Wayne, rhad and Rashmon. Did I leave someone out? Each of you virtually disagrees with every opinion I hold, so why would this be any different. You are being deliberately obtuse in not recognizing the ploy I created to embarrass TSchmal for his ill-advised wishes... but the ploy runs amok because it takes him 4 days to realize that that may have gone overboard. This simple reductionism that everything is the Truth or a Lie is a dis-service to your intelligence, FB. It was a gag, a ploy to make somebody realize something important. The fact that it went unattended for several days is on him not me. I had no interest, no need, no desire to elicit anyone' sympathy. If I did, I would let the story of my cancer persist and THAT would be a lie. Well even the Caped Crusader agreed with me on this one...
You're a funny guy. Are you sitting in your chair patting yourself on the back saying "Ho ho ho, clever ploy, old chap! You showed that ruffian his misdeeds! Well done! I am much too sophisticated for these fiends!"? Sure seems like you are. But a casual observer would probably say something like: "Sheesh, TSchmal's joke was in pretty poor taste, but so was the guy he was playing the joke on. At least TSchmal admitted what he said was poor taste and isn't trying to downplay the gravity of wishing death upon someone." But then again, that could just be the world out to get you. All the people who disagree with you. LOOK! THERE'S ONE OVER YOUR SHOULDER!!!!
What exactly am I wrong about? Should I have not endeavored to teach TSchmal a lesson about wishing cancer on someone? I know people left and right who are battling cancer. I lost my old swim coach in December and a college roommate in February. I have a few friends who are till entrenched in the battle with cancer. Wishing cancer on someone is never funny. End of story. I'm sorry that TSchmal's stubbornness turned this into such a story and especially I'm sorry that a couple of you had to suffer with a tenderness in your heart for me for a few days because you thought I was a survivor... If TSchmal had had the decency to apologize immediately this is a non-story. Blame him for the "torture" you've been through by believing for a couple of days that I was a cancer survivor.
Anyway, it's useless discussing this with you further giddyup. We obviously have differing definitions of things. How I see it: - I make a joke in poor taste to make a point. - You fib about having cancer (also in poor taste) to make a point. We both make a tasteless comment to make a point at each other. I'm not sure why you feel I'm more in the wrong that you ("he started it!" perhaps?), but that's how I see it. I'm perfectly willing to share fault for using cancer to make a futile point, but you simply seem unwilling and that's fine. I realize it's futile to continue this charade, so I leave you to your arrogant self-righteousness.
You were wrong to lie. Duh. I didn't suffer any strife on account of your cancer story. I was happy for you that you'd survived it. Now I just think you're a liar. And you're being a ninny about what Tschmal said. You know very well he didn't actually wish you would get cancer.
And don't think for a second you are the only one between us to know people with or who have had cancer. Cancer affects everyone. EVERYONE.
I'm not trolling around looking for things to pick on. What you said was universally distasteful. I don't really care what a casual observer would say. That person would not realize that the critics on this issue will criticize virtually every stance I have on everything. My ploy should have and would have worked if you didn't have the perspective that you owe no one any respect here. The most disappointing thing in all this to me is the dishonesty displayed by long-time posters like FB, rhad and Batman, who just want to capitalize on this mess by constantly referring to it as a lie. They are smarter than that. The only thing I sought to gain in all of this was to try and show you the possible consequences of wishing cancer on someone. There is nothing funny about it... never ever. Just because some of you didn't and don't get it, doesn't make it wrong.
